The developer worked his ass off to repurpose his app to Lemmy for us.
I was more than happy to pay for his time. Hard work deserves reward. If people aren’t going to pay him and use the free version, which you’re welcome to, then he makes his money from ads (which pay fuck-all)
You’re just a bunch of cheapskates who want to be entertained for nothing.
The major issue for some is regional pricing. Where I’m from lifetime costs around $110 in regional currency
He was implementing regional pricing this morning and looks like that should be happening today and tomorrow. I think that’s part of the reason so many people love Sync since the dev is ultra responsive.
As far as I’ve read, that price is for both no ads and Ultra which I guess gives you more perks). For just no ads it is significantly less. For no ads in my version it’s $30CAD, which is a high price but is much much less than $100+CAD
No, that’s lifetime ultra. A totally different thing, if you feel you need to pay more for a few extra features. You can also pay $20 to remove ads for a lifetime.
ya went a little too far at the end there. nothing wrong with not wanting to pay a subscription fee lol. its not a noble cause to pay some dude who made an app we dont need
its not a noble cause to pay some dude who made an app we dont need
Do you think professional independent developers shouldn’t be paid for their work? Do you think this kind of development is effortless?
I don’t understand why people keep parroting this. The app is free. It’s a professionally developed app, where the quality tradeoff is either ads (which can be blocked) or your choice of ad removal payments.
This isn’t some company trying to exploit the community here, this is a full time app developer who just had his livelihood completely cut off. People begged him to make a version for Lemmy, and he did. He deserves to be paid for the hours and work he put in to make it happen. You can’t make an app if you can’t buy food or pay rent.
And if you don’t like that, then don’t use it. He’s never pressured users into paying, and he’s never suggested everyone on Lemmy should just send him money. He isn’t even spamming posts advertising the app, enthusiastic users are.
Why is everyone so upset?
I’m not the one who’s upset. Look at the guy I replied to. I’m literally not using the app and it’s not my responsibility to support the creator lol. I’m literally just saying I’m not a cheapskate because I’m not using your paid alternative.
No one is calling you a cheapskate. It’s just that when you said this:
its not a noble cause to pay some dude who made an app we dont need
…in context, it comes off as “Sync is not necessary to exist, therefore no one should pay him.”
I understand what you mean now, but you worded it terribly.
And by the way, going around in the comments being unnecessarily hostile and calling people “dumbfuck” or “asshole,” when they were just as confused at your poor phrasing, makes you come off as an asshole, so maybe work on that :)
No one is calling you a cheapskate.
Dude read the comment I was replying to…
it comes off as “Sync is not necessary to exist, therefore no one should pay him.”
I did not say any of those words. wtf. I didn’t word shit terribly, you just made stuff up.
makes you come off as an asshole, so maybe work on that :)
Whether or not this is passive aggressive, it sounds like it is, which makes you come off as an asshole, so maybe work on that :)
No one is calling you a cheapskate.
Dude read the comment I was replying to…
He was definitely talking about people using the app and complaining that they can’t have it all for free. You’re not one of those people.
The original post is about someone using a free app (the web app). They check out Sync and see that it has ads and costs money otherwise, and that cost has no regional pricing (apparently). So they continue to use the web app. It’s a fair complaint and it doesn’t make them a cheapskate. Doesn’t have anything to do with other people’s choices. Doesn’t mean the dev is an evil person. It’s a just a bruh moment they had.
It’s the reason lemmy is struggling, it’s mainly Linux gatekeepers and foss elitists. Along with lemmy needing a slight learning period, the community just spews toxic shit relentlessly.
FOSS is elitism?
No. Elitists are the ones who are elitists. They just chose FOSS as their high horse to be holier than though. To beat the vegan horse I’m going to use Linux users as an example.
Anytime anyone irl talks about Linux it’s not really about how great Linux has met their needs. It’s usually about how great it is that it isn’t windows.
Why is everyone so upset?
You know why, it’s because in the eyes of Lemmy users who have been here all along, launch of Sync is the start of their eternal September. I moved to reddit back in 2010 as a Digg refugee after the infamous redesign, I saw much of the same back then (down to the plethora of programming and Linux memes).
Sync isn’t trying to replace all Lemmy frontends or other FOSS apps, it’s trying to provide a Reddit-like experience for people who miss it.
People just find reasons to be upset, I swear.
it’s trying to provide a Reddit-like experience for people who miss it.
Ads and all 🤣
Complaining about a $20 purchase you don’t have to make qualifies for “cheapskate” I think. Simply not purchasing it, or not wanting to purchase it, is fine. The difference is entitlement.
I think the point of this post was the lack of regional pricing, so for them it is not a $20 purchase.
If you don’t need it just don’t buy it. You’re bitching about someone wanting money for their hard work.
Not to mention, there are still a bunch of free options in other apps. Voyager, Memmy, modem, liftoff!, etc. Use one of those if you’re too cheap to pay for someone else’s work, yknow?
I FUCKING ALREADY AM
WHY DOES NOT BUYING SYNC MAKE ME CHEAP? Look! A guy made an app that costs money! What? You don’t want to use it? You’re cheap!
I mean…I don’t use it. But I’m not the one bitching about $20.
i never bitched about $20. its so funny how many times i had to explain this. i didnt use the app because i already had a free app that i dont pay for. i see no reason to use the paid app. somehow that completely reasonable decision makes me a “cheapskate”. I dont even know how you could read what I just said and think that reply would make sense.
dumbfuck i wasnt the one bitching. read what i wrote asshole
I see more aspects of reddit have made it here. great.
It’s a forum. Not everything is reddit.
He didn’t go too far. It is a broad and overbearing, but generally accurate statement.
How? I don’t want to pay for an app when I have one that satisfies my needs for free.That doesn’t make me a cheapskate. I was using this before Sync was even available. I can express my opinions about it too. I don’t think it’s worth the money when the service is already free and I don’t like it’s tactics to make you pay. But again, why would I care if someone paid for Sync? I’m not going to call all Sync users money wasters. Clearly they found value in it. People who didn’t aren’t just cheapskates
It’s the implication that the sync dev is doing something nefarious by charging to remove ads from the free app they developed.
I didn’t imply that. I don’t like the ad model and I think it’s bad for people. How many times are people going to try to make this dev sound like the most humble person ever. The poor dev made this free app and you wont support them. Dude can and already has made money. I’m not saying not to support independent devs. I’m saying I don’t like the model and that’s my fucking choice to not use it. I’m fine with Jerboa and I’m not a cheapskate because I wasn’t convinced to use Sync. This is the most bizarre opposition I’ve ever faced.
It’s not really bizarre. You’re digging in to something and responding to each comment, and every time you do, you talk from a perspective that to others is obviously flawed. In every comment you said “noooo I’m not a cheapskate, I just want an app for free” and that is amusing.
You’re the asshole who posts useless bug reports on GitHub but never donates. Get the 🦆 out of my project issues.
I literally said I donate dumbass. I don’t want Sync for free cunt. I don’t want Sync at all if it uses ads I have to pay to remove when I have a free alternative. That’s not a cheapskate decision. That’s called not wasting my fucking money. If someone likes Sync, then it isn’t a waste for them.
And I reply each time you do. Doesn’t take that long. Beyond that, the people digging this far are like you. My original comments are upvoted so clearly I’m not against everyone here…
Nothing works for “free” they ask for donations. And just cuz you don’t wanna use an app doesn’t make it useless or an app “we don’t need”. Also there’s not “tactics” to make you pay, guy’s just asking you to pay to remove ads, they made the app, it’s their choice how it should work. You’re not expected to buy it or use it, it’s just out there as an option if you want to.
It is free, in both meanings of the word. Donations are donations. I didn’t say it was useless and by “we” i mean all the people that guy called cheapskate. They are tactics. Never said it wasn’t their choice. For the last time, I don’t use the fucking app. That doesn’t make me a cheapskate. This is the most ridiculous comment section. The original guy was shitting on others for NOT using the app. I don’t fucking caaaare what people use. Good lord.
- You clearly do. 2. Cheapskate.
not wanting to pay a subscription fee
It’s a one-time $20. It’s literally in the meme were both commenting on.
Irrelevant to my point but either way I saw other posts about a subscription.
You got the money, you do you. His hardwork have nothing to do with how much i’m willing to pay lol, the end result is what i pay for, and it’s not worth the price to me.
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Someone correct me but IIRC the Reddit Is Fun paid version costed way less that 20$.
I hope they release Lemmy Is Fun or something.
He doesn’t deserve any reward for making spyware/adware garbage. His app is at odds with the ethos of lemmy. Fuck your ad hominem.
Lol spyware 🤣🤣
Do you work for free?
You can maneuver all you want, it is spyware. My hobby work is free. I don’t track my users nor do I inundate them with ads. I believe that’s unethical.
My work work is not available for free in any capacity whatsoever.
Good job you’re not using an android phone so it doesn’t matter!
It’s his full time job, so his "work work " isn’t free in any capacity either, you either pay with ad revenue or you pay with $20
He chose to go down that path. No one forced him. It’s a brain dead argument mate.
Oh and btw, it is free in some capacity. You do not have to pay to use the free version. It’s literally called the fucking free version.
The free version with ads that pay the developer that everyone’s losing their minds over like they’ve never seen an advert before.
Rightfully so, because it tracks you, collects and sells your data and inundates you with ads, which is literally every single fucking thing lemmy was built to get around.
@drekly @Plswrk, nobody needs to work for free, but creating incommings by spying the user to sell his data to third party isn’t an acceptable way to gain money. There are a lot of methodes to gain money in the network, but with surveillance advertising spyware is the worse and with big risks for the user, which can’t control where his personal data ends up.
He just put ads in his app mate. He’s not in the CIA
@drekly, simple ads are not a problem, if they are based on the content of the page and not based on user logs. Ads as is only can be somewhat annoying if there a lot in the page or they appears in the middle of a concert in YT, but no are a risk for the user privacy, no more than a commercial poster in the street or an ad in TV. As with all, bad the abuse. Years ago you saw 1-2 banners in a page, but novadays you must seek the webcontent between advertisings, banners, cookieadvices and popups
Ok?
@drekly, no ok, blocking trackers is legit selfdefense, but also the abuse of ads, blocking these also is needed. Only it isn’t a problem when a web shows an banner image or two, this can be tolerated, but not the abuse of ads currently and annoying popups, it is legit to block this crap.
All the self righteousness of lemmy is strange.
There’s not just better opinions, even small decisions are morally imbued and if someone steps out of line…
Wait, does using sync cause hurricanes? Earthquakes? Will the four big ponies of the lempocalypse arrive and snort angrily?
Otherwise, I get that a surge of people elated they have something you don’t/can’t have is off putting. FOMO is real.
But it doesn’t need all the meme-shade.
Wat?
Apt name.
My post had 3 downvotes (meh), so I’m taking that to mean it made sense.
What part of it didn’t make sense to you? The part where I indicate you’re playing innocent while throwing shade? People can see your post history.
Yeah, but people aren’t as creepy as you, crawling around others post history and posting irrelevant reply.
Ohh and i don’t care about downvote, this isn’t reddit anymore, time to grow up. So what if i’m throwing shade? The app isn’t worth the price, it’s too expensive, i talk about it, so what?
Why is looking at someone’s post history creepy? That’s something somebody would say who’s worried about their previous posts
You do you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Damn bro, did you wake up on the wrong side?
Ohh and i don’t care about downvote, this isn’t reddit anymore, time to grow up.
Finding out who you’re talking to is actually… kind of a lot more mature than, “Wat?”
HAHAHHAHA
Great joke, but okay. “Wat” because your original comment is so out of touch and so one-sided.
I haven’t seen 1 person tell someone that they should get Sync and act like it’s a moral obligation to do that one thing.
I’ve seen people say they’ve felt that they felt happy or obliged to support the dev, but that’s not the same.
What I have seen on Lemmy, repeatedly, is stunted little “adults” waltzing around moralizing about things that they feel they should feel about.
It’s like watching left leaning fundies worry about “the wrong gender” using a restroom. It’s just not something worth spending hours telling people they’re doing it wrong.
It is, however, worth telling the arbitrary gatekeepers that they’re not going to be successful.
To return to point: I’m not hung up on downvotes, but they are an objective metric. That comment of mine got 3 downvotes. 3. That’s not in anyway indicative of a lack of cogency or being in left field.
Bro, you make lemmy look like the average IQ can only go up. As can the discourse.
I haven’t seen 1 person tell someone that they should get Sync and act like it’s a moral obligation to do that one thing.
What I have seen on Lemmy, repeatedly, is stunted little “adults” waltzing around moralizing about things that they feel they should feel about.
I sure doesn’t see anyone moralizing this stuff. If calling stuff expensive with no regional pricing is “moralizing” the thing, then ohh boy i feels like your last line is actually talking about yourself.
In fact i feels like your whole talking point can be apply to yourself lol.
I think this is just a reaction to the massive amount of hype we all saw yesterday.
It’s a good app, but it’s expensive, potentially collects your data and shares it with advertisers, and it’s closed source. That’s the facts of the matter so far as I can tell…
The are pros and cons here, obviously, but it’s neither objectively positive or negative. With the pricetag comes unique features, like being able to tag people with notes. That’s neat!
Just paying a visit to lemmy because Sync is out, and all I’ve seen is this. Lemmy is just another reddit, isn’t it? People here are no better like what they believe themselves to be, still the same everywhere.
Lemmy is in fact just another link aggregator, albeit a better one, and the app build for it is trying too hard to be reddit, with no feature that’s closer to lemmy than reddit. So yes lemmy is reddit.
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I’ll have you know real Lemmy users don’t use any app, we tap HTTPS requests in binary directly onto an Ethernet cable, computing the TLS handshake mentally.
Jesus Christ guys, there’s like one inline ad every 30 posts. Quit bitching
They have every right to use the FOSS clients if they don’t want ads and don’t want to pay anything. Thing is there’s no reason to complain about a paid client existing. It doesn’t take away choice, it adds choice. FOSS devs will want to implement features they see in paid clients and raise the bar for paid client to add more features and then repeat. That’s a great thing for users. All this choice will lead to better and better clients, both FOSS and paid. What’s important is that lemmy is an open platform meaning we will always have choice. More choices are a good thing.
Repeat after me. Ads are EVIL! Just sell the app, don’t offer an add supported tier, especially for a front-end to an open-source platform.
black square with ad blockers. still i don’t like these black squares
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I’m just happy we have all of these choices.
The FOSS apps are fantastic already and Sync is there if you want that too.
I never see Liftoff recommended in these kinds of threads. It’s my favourite app so far out of Thunder, Connect, and Jerboa.
thunder is my goat tbh
only once that doesn’t feel bloated and slow
Liftoff is fantastic. QoL changes near daily.
Installed sync for a moment… uninstalled it later.
Liftoff is the way for me.
God forbid you have to pay for stuff.
$20 one time for a well developed app that I use multiple hours a day is inexpensive.
I pay almost as much to multiple streaming services PER MONTH for a shitty experience and sometimes not a completely ad-free experience.
Anyway, in all honesty I chose the $1.99/mo because it gives the dev $24/yr into perpetuity. I also donate to instances. I also use Connect and Jerboa and Liftoff. It’s whatever.
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God forbid i can choose the alternative while talk about how expensive the other choice is.
The other choice is free though. You don’t have to pay.
God forbid you
have tocan pay for stuff if you want.It’s a third party app. One of many. With an optional purchase to support the dev. Honestly…
With an optional purchase to support the dev.
You mean the schuckster trying to make a buck using another free API after the last one booted him out? Guy’s a slimeball.
What a genuinely unhinged take.
You’re not paying for the API, you’re paying for the dev time.
God forbid you have to pay for stuff.
But reddit asking to be paid for use of their API was the end of the world for these devs lol
No, reddit demanded ludicrously high fees at barely 30 days notice. It gave nobody any time at all to figure out alternative monetization strategies. Many of the third party apps had expressed their willingness to pay, but that was just absurd
Not a big fan of the price, but it’s free to use if you want and the app is amazingly smooth.
Also, if you decide to use this app for many years, the one time payment isn’t that bad at all.
Isn’t it a yearly subscription?
The $20 one-time fee is to remove ads from the “standard” app.
The subscription pricing is for Sync Ultra, which has Cloud backup for settings and some more advanced features in addition to no ads.
There’s a one time $20 fee to remove ads. There’s also a thing for increased functionality that’s separate and includes removing ads using a monthly or an annual subscription option, and there’s also a lifetime option. I opted for the lifetime one at $100 because I figure I’ll be using it for a few years, I’m happy to support the dev, and I really want all the bells and whistles.
I’m all here for the lemmy app war of 2023. Sync for life!!
Perhaps lemmy admins should start charging apps like this for API access…
The intent is to provide developers with a sense of pride and accomplishment for being able to pay the API bill.
I think he was being sarcastic
itt: ideas to kill lemmy
I’ll repeat what I said in several other threads at this point:
I loved the old app, I still love the new app, it’s a pleasure to use compared to the alternatives I’ve tried, and I find the ultra subscription rate both reasonable and worthwhile to support a product I truly enjoy.
Sync is good for me. There’s plenty of other options if it’s not good for you.
He literally gave what he prefers, get off the high horse
Ok
I can’t stand the web app. Sync is fantastic!
Really don’t get what all the fuss regarding Sync is about. There are plenty of alternatives out there, free or not. Maybe someone can explain what I’m missing?
Closed source app for an open source social media platform, and monetizing a free + open source social media platform with subscriptions and ads would be my guess. Of course we all have the choice not to use it. Infinity seems pretty good to me so far.
No idea. It’s a better app than the open ones. Don’t like it? Don’t use it. How does this stuff get up voted so much?
People have a hate boner for non-FOSS. There are no other high quality Lemmy apps. Choice is only an illusion. Now go to the app store and download your mandatory Sync app /s
People on the internet tend to latch onto memes for the hell of it. Do they really care about it? Probably not. It’s just the topic of the week, like X, Threads, the Titanic, etc. I would hope that people would be a lot less harsh to the Sync developer…I doubt that the people fanning the anti-Sync flames are doing it to try and lower prices.
The way I see it, FOSS is like a public option. It’s very important to provide a baseline functionally that paid apps need to exceed to be competitive. That’s a great thing, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong for paid apps to exist that provide a more polished experience, and if you can’t afford it, the ads really aren’t that intrusive, but if they annoy too much you can just use FOSS.
What’s great about Lenny is that this choice cannot be taken away from us. There will always be competition both FOSS and paid because lemmy is an open platform and healthy competition is a great thing.
I think it was one of the most popular reddit third-party apps so everyone is excited for the Lemmy version but I have never used it
I’ve been using Connect. I’m testing out Sync the last couple of days and I think I like Connect better.
Connect is my go-to. It’s … Fine.
Sync might be better, but definitely not $20 better or $17 per year better
Have you tried Liftoff? Way better than Connect or Jerboa in my opinion.
I’ve been really impressed with how quickly Connect has shaped up after the whole influx of new users.
Maybe i should give connect a chance again. I use it at the beginning and it keep spasm out so i drop it.
I think the bigger issue is that you can’t afford a $20 one time fee for a highly polished app that will get a massive amount of usage. I know it’s a tough economy but $20 isn’t a crazy amount of money.
Here’s the thing. I don’t know if it will get a massive amount of usage. Lemmy is fine right now but not having the userbase that reddit has is brutal. I want to talk sports with people but all the sports communities are dead. If I look at an Orioles community the game threads have 12 comments all by bots giving pitching/scoring updates.
Give it time. What’s important is that lemmy has hit critical mass and has many great clients that are far better than the Reddit ones. It will grow and not shrink. It’s the long game, doesn’t matter that it’s not big enough to support sports communities yet, it will get there and it’s still very early days on this platform.
Lemmy is already significantly more active than when I first joined, and that was only 2 months ago.
It’s 22€ (24.50 USD) here. To the commenter who said that’s “one MacDonald,'s meal”, every single large McMenu here is under 10€. With the usual coupons, you’re looking at the cost of McDonald’s for my entire family, not just one meal.
I can still, comfortably, afford blowing that much money on an app. But it doesn’t even get me any of the many “Ultra” features (that’s 110€). Looking at the Ultra page, ljdawson has already made clear that almost all planned Lemmy quality of life features will be pay-gated.
It’s also a huge gamble: we have no idea how financially viable Sync will be in a much smaller and far more hostile to non-FOSS apps, community. Heck, I opted out of tracking (like most EU-members of Lemmy would have) and the app isn’t even loading any ads at all, the revenue generated for ljdawson is zero.
Ljdawson has already suspended development of the original Reddit client on at least one occasion even though it was massively successful. Don’t think for a second he won’t cut his losses and run if he doesn’t consider the Lemmy client a financial success. The “lifetime” purchase might buy you another 10 years of maintained and polished usage, it might buy you six months. It’s a gamble.
Instead of blowing the cost of a small (McDonald’s) or a large (Amusement Park) family outing on my second-favorite former Reddit client, I’m waiting for Boost to come out, with hopefully slightly more sensible pricing.
“highly polished”
it is more than 20 for me
