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Which doesn’t make sense still unless you play games with no hud. It’d take 1 Factorio session to burn in
To be fair, my Factorio sessions are days long because I just get too addicted.
If you play factorio the burn in wouldn’t matter because you don’t need anything than the factorio ui!
The factory must grow!
Serious question, why not? Do they produce some harmful flicker or something?
burn in with static ui elements - The idea is, that regular very different images reduces the risk.
So the same issue we’ve always had with crt, lcd, and plasma.
Some screens have pixelshifting to mitigate this. Also, burn in doesn’t happen as quickly as you might think.
Now, you wouldn’t want to go using an OLED for a billboard.
Static UI elements you say?
Like games have?
So the parts of the screen that rarely ever change might be burned in…with the image of the thing that is almost always in that spot anyway…
But OLED dark mode looks so much better!
I just watched the RTINGS video on burn-in and understand the repurcussions of my flippant attitude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7V_OOu6B8
Interesting watch. She recommends only use the monitor for gaming, but NYEH!
That was a cool video. But if it takes over 5000 hours of time on. I doubt that as a regular user you’re going to see any significant or noticeable degradation but after several years. 5000 is just 208 days, but it has to be continuous and severe. More realistically, with off time and varied usage, the effect will never be as dramatic as with testing. So, it doesn’t sound like something critical. CRTs were worse and people coped just fine. Just use your monitor.
Sounds like it’s time to break out the bouncing word screensaver again.
With my old plasma tv if I ever started to notice burn in I would set it to a channel with no signal so it would do the static “snow”. It forces every pixel on the screen to go full spectrum by alternating between white and black. Leaving it like that for like 5-10 mins would greatly reduce noticeable burn in. TV is still going strong after 14 years of doing this.
That’s a genius use for static
Newer OLEDs are also far less susceptible to burn in than older generations, I think much of the concern is still stigma from earlier models.
With that said, I’m sure I am not alone in saying I have a rather old OLED that I’ve just used as a normal every day monitor and haven’t experienced any issues in the 6+ years I’ve had it.
I have a newer OLED and the pixel layout is trash for text.
It’s beautiful when gaming or watching video though. So it balances out imo
If you work 8 hours a day from home and then do a couple of hours of browsing, your 5000 hours will expire in two years. That’s a bloody joke to buy a new monitor every two years! And don’t get me started on that fucking pentile layout…
TLDR: I took the plunge on OLED TV in 2021 as a primary monitor and it’s been incredible
I’ve been using an LG C1 48" OLED TV as my sole monitor for my full-time job, my photography, and gaming since the start of 2021. I think it’s at around 3000 hours of screen time. It averages over 10 hours of on time per weekday
It typically stays around 40 brightness because that’s all I need, being fairly close to my face the size. All of the burn-in protection features are on (auto dimming , burn-in protection, pixel rotation) but I have Windows set to never sleep for work reasons.
Burn in has not been a thing. Sometimes, I leave it on with a spreadsheet open or a photo being edited overnight because I’m dumb. High brightness and high contrast areas might leave a spot visible in certain greys but by then, the TV will ask me to “refresh pixels” and it’ll be gone when I next turn the TV on. The task bar has not burned in.
Experience for work, reading, dev: 8/10
Pros: screen real estate. One 48" monitor is roughly four 1080p 22" monitors tiled.The ergonomics are great. Text readability is very good especially in dark mode.
cons: sharing my full screen is annoying to others because it’s so big. Video camera has to be placed a bit higher than ideal so I’m at a slightly too high angle for video conferences.
This is categorically a better working monitor than my previous cheap dual 4k setup but text sharpness is not as good as a high end LCD with retina-like density because 1) the density and 2) the subpixel configuration on OLED is not as good for text rendering. This has never been an issue for my working life.
Experience with photo and video editing: 10/10
Outside of dedicated professional monitors which are extremely expensive, there is no better option for color reproduction and contrast. From what I’ve seen in the consumer sector, maybe Apple monitors are at this level but the price is 4 or 5x.
Gaming: 10/10
4K 2160p120hz with 3ms lag, perfect contrast and extremely good color reproduction.
FPSs feel really good. Anything dark/horror pops A lot of real estate for RTSs Maybe flight sim would have benefited from dusk monitor setup?
I’ve never had anything but a good gaming experience. I did have a 144hz monitor before and going to 120 IS marginally noticable for me but I don’t think it’s detrimental at the level I play (suck)
Reviewers had mentioned that it’s good for consoles too though I never bothered
Movies and TV: 10/10 4K HDR is better than theaters’ picture quality in a dark room. Everything I’ve thrown on it has been great.
Final notes/recommendations This is my third LG OLED and I’ve seen the picture quality dramatically increase over the years. Burn-in used to be a real issue and grays were trashed on my first OLED after about 1000 hours.
Unfortunately, I have to turn the TV on from the remote every time. It does automatically turn off from no signal after the computers screen sleep timer, which is a good feature.
This TV has never been connected to the Internet… I’ve learned my lesson with previous LG TVs. They spy, they get ads, they have horrendous privacy policies, and they have updates which kill performance or features… Just don’t. Get a streaming box.
You need space for it, width and depth wise. The price is high (around 1k USD on sale) but not compared with gaming monitors and especially compared with 2 gaming monitors.
Pixel rotation is noticeable when the entire screen shifts over a pixel two. It also will mess with you if you have reference pixels at the edge of the screen. This can be turned off.
Burn in protection is also noticable on mostly static images. I wiggle my window if it gets in my way. This can also be turned off.
Thank you for such a detailed writeup of your experience. I have twin 32 curved LCDs and one frame is starting to crack so I’ve been mulling over my options.
I’m in terminals all day long for work, videos and games when I have some downtime. It sounds like an OLED TV is going to be the ticket for me. I’ve been hesitant because the perceived loss of real estate losing a whole display, but that’s clearly more mindset and habit than reality.
Sharing is a concern, I do a lot with coworkers and customers, but I’m sure I can find a way around that. Even if it’s something silly like a VM that I run shares out of. Just sharing single windows won’t do the trick as I’m often sharing a web UI alongside terminals and notes.
Well I literally just ordered an ultrawide OLED for work, but I guess I’ll have to play some games then to protect the monitor…
I think people who can afford oled will be able to afford a new one 2 years later when it burns in.
I want oled TV just because I get a ginormous screen for like totally acceptable prices. I dont need 2 monitors or whatever.
I been using oled for years on phones/laptops… never noticed any burn in. The issue seems like a chronically online nitpicking more than anything that a real user will encounter.
I was under the impression that this was only really an issue when they first introduced OLED. And doesn’t really affect the current gen
it can affect current Gen, it’s just way harder to the point it doesn’t really matter.
For how long do you use your phones? If you have an OLED android phone you’ll definitely get burn in where the status/notification bar is. If you get a new phone every 2 years you won’t notice it. I’ve got it after around 4 years.
I have a halo around my front camera, but no status bar burn in
You don’t use your phone with static elements for as long as you use your monitor.
What are you talking about? My phone has an average screen on time of 7 hours a day and the status bar is literally a permanently static element. So are the three software buttons for home back and app switch. But they still don’t burn in
What do you do in your life that your phone screen is for 7 hours straight? I guess you’re just imagining things.
Also, while I don’t know which phone you have, stock Android changes the status bar constantly. For example, you scroll your Insta feed and it’s light grey with dark grey icons. You tap on a video and now it’s black with light grey icons. Then you switch to Maps and now it’s semi-transparent and each pixel changes every time you move the map around.
Button bar on the bottom also changes non stop together with app theme. And button icons change all the time. Android doesn’t have a single static element on the screen. And you NEVER keep screen on for 7 hours straight. It is completely different to office or industrial work. Heck, even my IPS gets a temporary burn-in (ghosting) all the bloody time!
You can check LTT video about LG TV Linus was using for work. He was so happy about it at first. One year later - it’s a total burnt garbage.
Should this be a concern for my steam deck acquisitions?
Welcome to like… a decade ago?
Just one decade? Screensavers were literally invented for this.
Screensavers were invented for vacuum tube televisions. Lmao
I meant OLED burn in specifically but I suppose a screensaver would technically work, although I prefer the pixel shift hack available on some devices. Does stuff like draw status bar icons with a dithering pattern and swaps the on pixels with their off neighbors. Dunno if it actually works as intended though. The phone that had it got destroyed.
OLED tech gets better every year
Built in pixel shifts and better hardware is making burn-in on OLEDs a lot more comparable to the normal amount of burn-in LCDs and plasmas experience
If you can afford it, OLED everytime for everything imo
Nor for gaming, nor for video… Basically, LCD all the way.
Modern OLEDs are way less prone to burn in than the first ones. Now it’s only really an issue if you’re holding the same image for days on end
I vote that the next generation of computer monitors bring back the degauss button.
Even if it’s a fake effect, I’d still buy the first flatscreen that does this.
Have 48" oled as my main monitor only 2 1/2 years old and 4500 hours, no burn in yet but tbh my last lcd monitor burned in quicker (was an ultrawide had a line down the middle after a couple years from split screening windows). When It does I don’t think I’ll mind, was the cheapest upgrade from my last monitor with all features I wanted
