Homo Homini Lupus Est
Still wouldn’t change that YOU alone forced life into existence. If it needs therapy, you’re at the absolute lowest root of a causal-chain.
Noone questions if you’re fully alone responsible for a pet you got. Even if it still bites you and won’t show “thankfulness”. But kids is just a thing that happens and it’s nobody’s fault or responsibility?
Why do you think it owes you gratitude? For the gift of life?
Because they’re human
Yes. That gives them the conscious option, not the obligation.
Any expectant mother who miscarries can tell you why you’re wrong.
I spoke with many so far and wouldn’t know what that would have to do with anything? Despite the tragedy of misscariage, it was still a one-way-decision to procreate. The result of it doesn’t touch the point. The resulting kid had no choice to exist or not to exist. It was first thrown into existence and then out of it again. It didn’t ask for either.
I don’t say kids shouldn’t be thankful or be in owing. They’re just no obliged to do so. You can’t set a kid in this world, expecting it to pay you back somehow. It might, it probably will. It might also hate you for it. But it doesn’t HAVE to do any of it.
Then compare that to a parent who selflessly loves and gives and gives. It’s very reasonable to say that parents are owed something.
That’s the thing. They’re not. You surely CAN be grateful and thankful and whatnot. Of course. But you don’t owe it to them. Were you asked if you want to exist? Were you asked if you want to be part of this society? The rest you said isn’t wrong. I just fail to see the direct correlation between “i force you into this world without asking consent” and “because of that you owe me something”. If I take you hostage and treat you super-well and lovely, do you owe me something? Just because a baby can’t consent before being born, doesn’t automatically mean it has to be thankful for it. Doesn’t mean you mustn’t or couldn’t or even shouldn’t. But you don’t HAVE TO.
Because that’s how society works, mutualism.
I’m not stupid, but…who asked your offspring if it wants to be part of that? You forced it into existence.
Because it’s the foundation of a functioning civilization.
Why should one’s offspring care for that? It never ask to be in that civilization?
That’s demonstrably not true.
If this makes you feel better? Doesn’t change the fact that procreating is a one-way-decision-street. Yours.
We owe it to one another to be good in turn. The value of family is in building up the cycle of mutual aid. It’s never a one-way street.
Why? You (not YOU but a parent) decided to procreate. Everything that follows is yours alone to deal with. I (the kid) never was asked to exist. Why do I owe you anything at all?
Then you also haven’t read this and just have to survive it. I know that kids see those things as “normal”, even the worst kinds of abuse. As they usually lack diversified knowledge of alternatives or came to conclusion how they want to be treated.
For those my advice is worth less than nothing. It was more aimed at people who can read and COULD do that. I know many can’t or don’t dare to. Or not without help.
It’s part of what I voluntarily work in. A shelter-kind of people damaged or broken by other disgusting examples of this species. It’s the best one could do. Cut ties, start new. Or just cut ties.
Even if its parents. Or especially if they are the toxic ones. If you’re 6, others should take you out of there.
Cut toxic people out of your life. No matter who it is. Period.
Simple best rule for a happier life.
Don’t forget he also managed to raise prices for all your loved tech-stuf. Just because he hates you deeply but also needs your moneyz.
Ah, thanks for doing what I should’ve done :-)
And that’s why you should always have a can of PerriAir at home!
Thanks for saving me from looking it up 😊
Testing your obedience and submission. I’d just get up and leave. If they don’t treat you with respect before you even work there, you can imagine the rest.
If that scarred you for life, you had a wonderfully harmless life 😉
“Identify as insane”…is a sentence i gotta re-use :-) Well, what actually is “politically mad” though. Everything not in the usual two corners fighting “the others”?
lol, i actually started this conversation on the assumption that you are either a troll or totally gone. And yup, it’s indeed easier if the other one already knows you’re insane in the mainframe. Saves a lot of time :-)
Interesting fun fact. But hey, have you ever tried putting your powers of imagination into art? like creating some?
Oh I wouldn’t say “fantasy” is negatively connotated. “Delusion”, unless used in a medical diagnosis, surely is, yes. Apologies btw for using that term on you. I tend to come across harsher than I often intend to :)
What we’re doing here is using our culture as the raw materials to engineer new social constructs to serve our needs[…]
How eloquently put. Makes total sense now. Definitely nothing I regularly come across, but you explained it very well. Thanks for that insight. If everyone is happy and no harm is done, no harm is done :) Circling back to the initial use of the word “sanity”, you came across as being high as a kite, but you’re just…differently wired. Nothing insane here. I wish you guys the best!
No irony was meant. Sorry it that might’ve come across as such. I’m a very cynical person. Didn’t mean any disrespect. I would TRY my best to treat it however it wants to be treated. But lacking information, i could only approximate very little. I would maybe have trouble wrapping my head around that fact and try to see if it would require “help” or if everything is fine as it is. Or maybe misanthropy went weird or…
But if you just changed your belief that sharks can talk. It’s also no shark anymore, is it? We have language and words to convey certain things and meanings. If you just change it, what use does it have? A speaking shark is no shark, a human being sharky isn’t a human. So do you more see something NEW? Like sharkman? humark? A speaking shark that can travel on land and use the internet to meet humans like you. But neither shark nor human.
Why is it important to you to call this “antirealist magick” instead of e.g. “highly vivid fantasy born by the desire to treat everyone as they see themselves, no matter what”? It’s an admirable treat, don’t get me wrong. Maybe I’m just nitpicky on labels, but “antirealist” sounds dumb (no offense meant) in a world where objective reality needs to exist or else this conversation wouldn’t exist.
Anyhow, you seem like a very lovely colorful being, so i just repeat myself: no offense meant, just call it scientific curiosity to everything not “normal” and boring.
You’re evidently on the far right end of open-mindedness. That’s cool. In a stupid world like this even more so.
Of course I wouldn’t want it to be sad. Yet I would have tons of questions that only the “objective reality”-ivy could answer. I mean, it’s pretty obvious it’s no shark but a human that sees itself as a shark. But also as a human, or else it would’ve drowned already trying to get to its kin. And not found their way to you. Or even you online.
Don’t get me wrong, I have absolutely no problem with whatever someone identifies as. Due to my voluntary work, I got some friends with DIS, so i, too, had my encounters with “subjective reality”, even in the form of a protective wolf.
But, I also see the underlying issue. Dysphoria is not a healthy thing and rarely leads to a fulfilled and happy life. (Not saying DIS is the same, but symptoms overlap). A body-dyphoria where you can’t stand the existence of your left leg can be “cured” by just removing it. Gender-dysphoria can be helped with hormones. But species? That sure can only end up highly depressed.
Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t treat that person with respect or not take her otherkin not serious. But there are limits. How do I respectfully treat a shark? Put it in a watery cage to be safe and throw it into the ocean? Probably not. The moment I talk with it, I already don’t take it serious, do I?
BTW, I would prefer to not be human too. This species is the worst. And I also would prefer to be a Disney princess where birds land on my arms and talk to me. But I am human and no princess, and birds fly away. What good would it do me if I just started to believe I am what I would prefer to be? (Supposing I could)
Well, why should I do that? And why would i? What benefit was gained for the monkeyman or me? Though I would be amazed by my fantasy if I could actually pull that off.
Do you do that? And, haven’t not yet met or even heard of someone identifying as a monkey (or anything else nonhuman), I would have a lot of questions. And I mean actually identifying as such, not just larping as a furry or doing it as some kind of kink.
Anyhow, it would still not really make a strong point as to being “anti reality”. First, you knew before you’d hypnotize yourself, it is objectively a human. As a monkey couldn’t even tell you it is one. It just is. I would classify that as an incredible Fantasy (not meant in a condescending way!) But not an opposition to reality. A wide opened mind with a fantastic imagination. That.
If you go amoral and unfeeling, all most people do is just breed slaves for our overlords and their desires in hopes they have someone that will take care of them later.
Besides, gratefulness for being birthed was kinda the topic of this thread. Kids that need to show some gratitude for aaaalll the love and care they received for being just another consumer and worker that will be milked until they’re dry. But that’s another topic…