Humans are animals as well. Just keep them as lifestock (e.g. on a cotton field or labor camp as we have done in the past), and killing them should be completely fine according to your logic. Who cares about the victims if we just declare them lifestock. Great ethics!
Just keep them like lifestock (e.g. on a cotton field or labour camp as we have done in the past), and killing them should be completely fine according to your logic.
Following the reasoning that I’ve posted in another comment, another species keeping us as livestock wouldn’t be doing something immoral in my book; they’re defending their own interests, in detriment to ours. I don’t expect for example a jaguar to put my self-preservation above its cub’s desire for food.
And similarly it wouldn’t be immoral if we fought against it.
Contrariwise to vegans I’m not putting humans on some holier-than-thou ground with intrinsically better moral grounds than the other species; it boils down to defence of one’s own interests. Take a clue from the fact that my avatar is a smoking chimp dammit.
Who cares about the victims if we just declare them lifestock. Great ethics!
Appeal to emotion and other forms of stupidity/fallacy/irrationality don’t work well against me. Try something else.
Although I’m suspecting that you guys’ approach is something else: ad nauseam / sealeoning, is it?
Wouldn’t make much sense to raise dogs as livestock though, not enough meat on them and they pretty much need a diet that includes meat so it gets very expensive, especially for a dog that gets big enough to make a real steak from it…
My point was mostly to highlight that pet vs. livestock for me depends on raising conditions, not on species.
That said you’re correct that raising dogs as a main source of meat wouldn’t be efficient or practical, unlike pig, horse, cow, rabbit, guinea pigs etc.
That doesn’t need to stop us. We got pretty good with breeding animals for specific traits. So you could take dogs which are very massive and breed them until they yield even more meat. Just like we did and do with cows and pigs. Also it is possible to feed dogs on a plant based diet, so it wouldn’t be that much more expensive. (Besides, meat is extremely cheap due to subsidies. It costs much more to have a plant based diet, especially if it’s organically grown. You could also use meat scraps as it is also done for pet food. Further lowering the price.)
Dunno about other people, but in my case:
One could make the same points about any animal, really.
Like, the possibility of eating cats, or keeping a pet cow? Yes, and it would be consistent with the above.
Humans are animals as well. Just keep them as lifestock (e.g. on a cotton field or labor camp as we have done in the past), and killing them should be completely fine according to your logic. Who cares about the victims if we just declare them lifestock. Great ethics!
No shit Sherlock.
Following the reasoning that I’ve posted in another comment, another species keeping us as livestock wouldn’t be doing something immoral in my book; they’re defending their own interests, in detriment to ours. I don’t expect for example a jaguar to put my self-preservation above its cub’s desire for food.
And similarly it wouldn’t be immoral if we fought against it.
Contrariwise to vegans I’m not putting humans on some holier-than-thou ground with intrinsically better moral grounds than the other species; it boils down to defence of one’s own interests. Take a clue from the fact that my avatar is a smoking chimp dammit.
Appeal to emotion and other forms of stupidity/fallacy/irrationality don’t work well against me. Try something else.
Although I’m suspecting that you guys’ approach is something else: ad nauseam / sealeoning, is it?
Wouldn’t make much sense to raise dogs as livestock though, not enough meat on them and they pretty much need a diet that includes meat so it gets very expensive, especially for a dog that gets big enough to make a real steak from it…
My point was mostly to highlight that pet vs. livestock for me depends on raising conditions, not on species.
That said you’re correct that raising dogs as a main source of meat wouldn’t be efficient or practical, unlike pig, horse, cow, rabbit, guinea pigs etc.
That doesn’t need to stop us. We got pretty good with breeding animals for specific traits. So you could take dogs which are very massive and breed them until they yield even more meat. Just like we did and do with cows and pigs. Also it is possible to feed dogs on a plant based diet, so it wouldn’t be that much more expensive. (Besides, meat is extremely cheap due to subsidies. It costs much more to have a plant based diet, especially if it’s organically grown. You could also use meat scraps as it is also done for pet food. Further lowering the price.)