• AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    Well, the problem with this line of thinking is that we do have empirical evidence that depressed people DO get better by making a huge effort to get better.

    Drag had anecdotal evidence, which is incredibly weak evidence.

    Drag may have had baseless belief in something and it worked out, but my point is, the evidence WAS available to support that point.

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      1 month ago

      Yes, it was, but evidence doesn’t work on most people with severe depression. The disease impairs the part of your brain that processes good news. Drag understood the evidence, but drag’s dragon couldn’t, because it was sick. That’s what depression is.

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        1 month ago

        Drag doesn’t have to explain depression to me.

        If Drag understood the evidence, then it sounds like the conclusion Drag should come to is not to baselessly believe in things without evidence, but rather to make a better use of context to rid dragself of blindness caused by anecdotal evidence.

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            1 month ago

            No? I’m depressed, too.

            Let me do the same stupid shit drag just did.

            Is that your advice to depressed people who think life is hopeless? Belief in things without having real evidence?

            My point is that drag came to the wrong conclusion.

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              Is that your advice to depressed people who think life is hopeless? Belief in things without having real evidence?

              Yeah, that’s exactly what drag was trying to say. Believing in things without evidence forms an important PART of a treatment plan. It should also be supplemented by exercise, medication, social activities, and CBT if possible.

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                Drag is saying that depressed people should “just believe” which is much crazier than saying depressed people should “just believe in evidence”.

                People do not need to believe in what drag is saying without evidence, because that evidence exists, so they can just as easily believe in it WITH evidence.

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                  1 month ago

                  Depression makes it harder to believe the evidence that things can get better, because the disease impairs the part of your brain that processes good news. If you’re functional enough that you can believe good news, drag is proud of you.