Sorry you’re not allowed to have a democracy because someone might try to convince you to vote against me.
I can’t believe you’re genuinely this unimaginative. Do you really think Russia would limit themselves to propaganda? Do you think Russia respects the democratic process enough to not interfere in an election where getting the right leader might mean submission, annexation, and victory? The same Russia that was the origin for multiple bomb threats on polling locations during the US 2024 election? The same Russia that’s constantly fraught with internal accusations of election fraud? That Russia?
I mean… If the election has a really high chance of not genuinely reflecting the will of the people because an outside force is guaranteed to attempt to interfere with the election… Yeah, it’s kinda not the time because you’re going to choose based on the will of the invader, not the will of the people.
If you cared about the will of the people you wouldn’t have violently overthrown their government and installed a regime of literal nazis to murder and suppress the population you pretend to weep for.
But then again if you cared about the people of Ukraine AT ALL you wouldn’t be okay with them living under a nazi regime LET ALONE happily giving those nazis absolute power to decide when and if they ever give up absolute power.
So like all right wingers, I have to wonder. Where are you on the evil/stupid continuum? Do you espouse your views because you are fully self aware as a devoted nazi partisan? Or are you tied for the dumbest person to have ever lived?
I’ve seen a lot of claims of Nazis in Ukraine, and to be totally fair, there have been pictures of disturbing large groups around symbols, but nobody ever seems able to muster any genuine evidence there’s a systemic problem. Everything anyone has ever been able to show me has attempted to make big leaps to stretch scant evidence into more than it is. I’m open to being proven wrong, but the last several times I offered the chance, I got the same load of half assed bullshit. I’ve tried several times to give the claim a chance, but it increasingly sounds like a tiny grain of truth blown up into a mountain of Russian butthurt.
dunno about scant evidence when there are so many different instances of ukranians with nazi tattoos and badges and shit freely availabe all over the internet
Oh neat, another shitty piece of “evidence” that doesn’t actually prove the point at hand. I’m not saying it’s a great look, but the vast majority aren’t even in Ukraine, and given the height of the pins, it looks like there probably aren’t even very many in Ukraine. If I’m wrong and there’s a bunch of them in there, then it’s still not good evidence since it can’t make your point clearly.
You dumb fuck, the upper right zoomed in part is Ukraine literally fucking covered in them. I keep coming back to this thread out of fascination because you seem to genuinely just be a credulous rube and a distillation of liberal denial of reality, but this one takes the fucking cake and I had to reply again.
You are either a crypto-fascist “pretending” not to see the Nazi scourge as what it is you are just that fucking stupid or unwilling to confront your misinformed preconceptions. Either way others here have spent far more energy than you deserve attempting to educate you so I will just say again: Go fuck yourself. Take this hostility you received here as a moment to reflect on your pigheaded refusal to acknowledge the actual reality in which we all live. You have been given more than enough to educate your self.
The next time you post on this site should be a fucking apology and heartfelt thanks to all those that had the patience to put up with your shit. You’re fine with genocide as long as democrats do it and you’re fine with Nazis. You fucking disgust me.
It’s a NATO problem. It’d definitely be wrong to hold Ukraine to be uniquely responsible for NATO’s legacy, and Ukraine isn’t even formally part of NATO. If you want a full breakdown of the history of the NATO bloc’s Nazi problem, have you read Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds?
You’re the one who made the claim the Ukrainians are living under a Nazi regime. I basically said I’ve seen evidence that there are Ukrainian Nazis in existence, but nobody can ever muster evidence that it’s systemic or anything other than a few groups that, while disturbingly large, are nowhere near big enough to represent the majority. I’ve tried to invite proof several times, but I’m increasingly convinced it’s bullshit.
I see so you’ve decided to take a violent tangent away from the conversation that made you uncomfortable and decided to impose this new conversation where you challenge me to convince you of something you adamantly refuse to be convinced of and brag about how your opaque standards of proof have never been met.
This is hilarious especially when it comes to Ukraine. History began in 2022 I guess.
It’s also funny with Russia lmao. Yeah it’s definitely the russians that are the issue when it comes to election interference lmao.
Yeah not every nation wants to do that. Some nations are fascist dictatorships.
Put that right next to ‘two things can be true at once’ in the library of trying to conjure thoughts from nothing but pure passive voice.
Sorry you’re not allowed to have a democracy because someone might try to convince you to vote against me.
Love me, I’m a liberal.
I can’t believe you’re genuinely this unimaginative. Do you really think Russia would limit themselves to propaganda? Do you think Russia respects the democratic process enough to not interfere in an election where getting the right leader might mean submission, annexation, and victory? The same Russia that was the origin for multiple bomb threats on polling locations during the US 2024 election? The same Russia that’s constantly fraught with internal accusations of election fraud? That Russia?
And that’s why democracy is for another time.
I mean… If the election has a really high chance of not genuinely reflecting the will of the people because an outside force is guaranteed to attempt to interfere with the election… Yeah, it’s kinda not the time because you’re going to choose based on the will of the invader, not the will of the people.
If you cared about the will of the people you wouldn’t have violently overthrown their government and installed a regime of literal nazis to murder and suppress the population you pretend to weep for.
But then again if you cared about the people of Ukraine AT ALL you wouldn’t be okay with them living under a nazi regime LET ALONE happily giving those nazis absolute power to decide when and if they ever give up absolute power.
So like all right wingers, I have to wonder. Where are you on the evil/stupid continuum? Do you espouse your views because you are fully self aware as a devoted nazi partisan? Or are you tied for the dumbest person to have ever lived?
I’ve seen a lot of claims of Nazis in Ukraine, and to be totally fair, there have been pictures of disturbing large groups around symbols, but nobody ever seems able to muster any genuine evidence there’s a systemic problem. Everything anyone has ever been able to show me has attempted to make big leaps to stretch scant evidence into more than it is. I’m open to being proven wrong, but the last several times I offered the chance, I got the same load of half assed bullshit. I’ve tried several times to give the claim a chance, but it increasingly sounds like a tiny grain of truth blown up into a mountain of Russian butthurt.
dunno about scant evidence when there are so many different instances of ukranians with nazi tattoos and badges and shit freely availabe all over the internet
Oh neat, another shitty piece of “evidence” that doesn’t actually prove the point at hand. I’m not saying it’s a great look, but the vast majority aren’t even in Ukraine, and given the height of the pins, it looks like there probably aren’t even very many in Ukraine. If I’m wrong and there’s a bunch of them in there, then it’s still not good evidence since it can’t make your point clearly.
You dumb fuck, the upper right zoomed in part is Ukraine literally fucking covered in them. I keep coming back to this thread out of fascination because you seem to genuinely just be a credulous rube and a distillation of liberal denial of reality, but this one takes the fucking cake and I had to reply again.
You are either a crypto-fascist “pretending” not to see the Nazi scourge as what it is you are just that fucking stupid or unwilling to confront your misinformed preconceptions. Either way others here have spent far more energy than you deserve attempting to educate you so I will just say again: Go fuck yourself. Take this hostility you received here as a moment to reflect on your pigheaded refusal to acknowledge the actual reality in which we all live. You have been given more than enough to educate your self.
The next time you post on this site should be a fucking apology and heartfelt thanks to all those that had the patience to put up with your shit. You’re fine with genocide as long as democrats do it and you’re fine with Nazis. You fucking disgust me.
It’s a NATO problem. It’d definitely be wrong to hold Ukraine to be uniquely responsible for NATO’s legacy, and Ukraine isn’t even formally part of NATO. If you want a full breakdown of the history of the NATO bloc’s Nazi problem, have you read Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds?
Oh so we should talk about this different thing now?
You’re the one who made the claim the Ukrainians are living under a Nazi regime. I basically said I’ve seen evidence that there are Ukrainian Nazis in existence, but nobody can ever muster evidence that it’s systemic or anything other than a few groups that, while disturbingly large, are nowhere near big enough to represent the majority. I’ve tried to invite proof several times, but I’m increasingly convinced it’s bullshit.
I see so you’ve decided to take a violent tangent away from the conversation that made you uncomfortable and decided to impose this new conversation where you challenge me to convince you of something you adamantly refuse to be convinced of and brag about how your opaque standards of proof have never been met.
So you’re just kinda a piece of shit huh
This is hilarious especially when it comes to Ukraine. History began in 2022 I guess.
It’s also funny with Russia lmao. Yeah it’s definitely the russians that are the issue when it comes to election interference lmao.