[Jesus sits on a rock, speaking]
A new command I give you:
Love one another
[an angry character talks back to Jesus]
What if they’re something bad like gay, trans, brown, or communist though?
[Jesus is facepalming on his rock]
I don’t want to be a messiah anymore
Eh, I don’t think there’s much merit to whether or not Jesus was a real person. The focus should be on the obviously fantastical claims because Christian apologists tend to get all caught up in the idea of Jesus being a “historical person” rather than the wild claim of Jesus being a literal god. I don’t reject the validity of Christianity because I’m unsure if Jesus really did exist or not, but rather that the supernatural claims fall embarrassingly short of such tall claims.
Nono that’s not how it works, the burden of proof is on those that claim he existed. Without such proof, there is no reason to believe he did.
But why quibble over the murkier “did he exist” ground when you could engage on “was he a miracle working guy who came back from the dead” and make them find more evidence for that!
This is my point exactly. Thank you for putting it more concisely than what I’m apparently capable of.
What do you mean? More than zero? There is no evidence, and “more” evidence will never be found, because there is no reason to believe it ever happened. And if you mean evidence that it didn’t happen, then again that’s not how it works. You can’t prove a negative.
@Buffalox @Semjeza technically there is textual evidence of him coming back from the dead. From multiple authors even.
It’s readily available in every version of the Bible.
(Now if that evidence is worth a rats ass is another question altogether)
No those are just stories, and none of the “books” are reliable historical evidence.
Exactly, I already mentioned that the bible isn’t a valid source. First because it is written by anonymous authors, second because it isn’t contemporary, thirdly because it’s based on hearsay, and finally because crucial details do not line up among them.
The books of the Bible is exactly what could be expected to happen when you don’t have copyright. Someone picks up a story, and changes it to be more to his liking.
@Buffalox this discarding of the Bible as a source always sounds like an agenda in itself. Sure, it’s mythologized, but it’s a corpus of texts written by a multitude of authors corroborating at least some things between them.
I gave the reasons for why the bible is discarded as historical evidence for Jesus.
The earliest book is written 1 generation after the fact, in an area quite some distance from where the events allegedly took place, by anonymous authors, and with no first party references, and the book contradict each other on key events.
How is that an agenda? Using it as a source however is clearly an agenda.
@Buffalox completely discarding multiple sources written by multiple people saying the same thing as evidence because you decide on a whim they don’t count is not a reasonable position.
They might not be good evidence, but they still are evidence.
This always seems to be nothing but a kneejerk reaction to all those Christians claiming the Bible is god-given truth.
“Oh no, let’s disregard everything written in this amazingly preserved textual corpus because I want to hurt those meanies”
OHMYGOD, THAT’S THE FUCKING POINT.
What? To give them more time to not be able to prove a negative?
Or to give them more time than 2000 years to still not be able to prove anything?
You are not making any sense now?!
Or were you being sarcastic about the more time thing? Because if you were, it’s very stupid to not use the /s regarding sarcasm, when we are debating stupid beliefs billions of people actually hold.
In any case, you are not making sense now.