• ultranaut@lemmy.world
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          There’s a “Getting Started” app built in to win11 that is both completely useless and totally unremovable by any method without breaking the OS.

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            That’s because it’s not an app. Do “Winget list” and you’ll see it’s not there.

            It’s part of the shell. Open it up, look at task manager, and you’ll see it’s not spawning new processes. Which also mean it’s irrelevant - it doesn’t add any background tasks, modifies any files or in anyway interfere with the users. It’s quite literally just an icon created by the shell.

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            Do you use Android? Chrome is the native WebView that a good chunk of your apps use. Without deep modifications, you can’t use another webview. Do you use iOS? Safari not only renders any HTML component on any app, it’s also the engine behind every single browser on the OS - Chrome on iOS is Safari with different clothing. Do you use an Xbox? A PlayStation? I could go on.

            While Linux does indeed handle this differently, with most apps bundling their own web rendering engine, Windows and many other systems use one main core browser that other apps call when they need web pages. This is got many advantages and many disavantages. If you dislike it, fair enough - but let’s not pretend this is unusual or somehow unjustifiable.

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              Do you use Android? Chrome is the native WebView that a good chunk of your apps use.

              Wait… so you are talking about webviews when I was talking about the actual browser? Lmao… talk about a false equivalency.

              This is got many advantages and many disavantages. If you dislike it, fair enough - but let’s not pretend this is unusual or somehow unjustifiable.

              I’m talking about forcing the actual browser installation. Nothing you said has countered this, Android doesn’t force Chrome to be installed for webviews in applications. The webview class is nothing close to being a full browser, and certainly doesn’t require a browser to be installed to use it. If anything, that is an example of the right way to do it… having a separate class, that is not dependent on the actual browser installation.

              Yes, please go on, I can’t wait to hear more of your ridiculous takes.

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          Its more of the dependency chain. I wouldn’t consider tying your taskbar, web browser, and other microservices together like that a good thing in any ecosystem. Its not really the fact that removing system files breaks your system. Its that the taskbar and web browser should not be considered Core. People want to choose and not have their non-choice staring at them with their new gurl from the sidelines.

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        Most things are probably fine, though Windows updates might do something funky or just put it back from where you threw out that trash.

        But Edge is a different story. Microsoft in their infinite wisdom decided to make Edge, their web browser, essential for Windows Explorer, their file manager and desktop among other things, to function properly.

        So if you get rid of Edge, things can get kinda fucky. I haven’t looked into if someone has made a workaround, I know that there are modified “debloated” Windows installs that do some heavy duty mucking about in there, but I don’t know if anyone’s figure out how to give Edge the ax without making your desktop freak out.

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        Yes, though I’m pretty sure I’ve uninstalled or atleast disabled cortana with no problems

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    Once, 2ish years ago I think by now? I was trying to clean up all the shit I installed to compile something because it wasnt available on apt, had a repository, or had a .deb (I was on ubuntu at the time).

    I mistyped something and ended up removing Python. Got no warning, no red text, no nothing. It just uninstalled it as if it was nothing.

    I rebooted, and learned that a lot of fucking shit depends on python. because I no longer had a DE and could only boot into a terminal. after 2 hours of trying to unfuck it, I just used a live cd to save what files I could and reinstalled.

    Oh, and I never got the program compiled and working. and never tried again on the fresh install. I dont even remember what it was now. Something for gaming, probably.

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      The great advantage of Linux is the freedom to do as you please, but it also assumes that you know what you are doing. Windows also allows you to do everything, but only if you ignore the hysterical attacks of the System, but you must also know what you are doing.

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        an OS should never assume the user knows what its doing, cause users are idiots, even the smart ones. especially the smart ones. lol

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          Yes, thats the difference, Linux assume that the user knows exactly what he’s doing, Windows assume that the user is a Banjoplaying Redneck.

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            an OS should never assume the user knows what its doing, cause users are idiots, even the smart ones. especially the smart ones. lol

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    Windows is a good and stable OS with a reasonable privacy, BUT ONLY if the first thing you do in a new PC with Windows, to spend an afternoon disabling and throwing out a ton of junk, trials, unnecessary services and functions and most of the telemetry. So if you have a fast and compliant OS. Luckily Windows allows all this, but naturally it requires an advanced user (registry and servicelists can be a comanche territory if you don’t exacly know what you do) and M$ does not offer much documentation and help on this topic either, of course. But in the new online subscription version they will naturally nip these possibilities in the bud.

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      Lol, I am viewed as an absolute Wizard by some of my friends in IT, because I am not at all afraid of RegEdit. Just don’t touch anything at all without triple checking that that is in fact the key you want to be playing with.

      I’ll have to remember “Comanche Territory”!

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        Yes, no much problem with the cleartext software part, but the other where you see only numbers are not so easy, just easy to turn your PC into a Paperweight. This really isn’t very intuitive

        Easier the Services, although you can also screw up there

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        Use Winternals sysmon to suss out problem registry keys and file permissions and their minds will be blown.

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      Windows is a good and stable OS with a reasonable privacy

      {Looks around confused}

      What the hell dimension did I walk into?!?

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        I mean, hes not wrong if hes talking about Windows 7.

        if hes talking about 10 or 11, then the dudes clearly on LSD.

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          At least W10 in this point isn`t different from W7, not sure in W11 and user intervencion with W12 and W365 online with subscription ends completely. Until now you can still gut Windows to your like, without LSD, maybe with some Tranxilium.

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        Read also the rest what is necessary to make Windows private and stable. Nothing new that Windows by default is a privacy nightmare, but you can change it, but how to do this is not in the Windows Helpfile.

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          If my OS installs broken by default. I’m just going to use something that’s not broken. Simple as that.

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      Maybe I’m just really fast but it takes me about 10 minutes. About the same amount of time I spend installing and customing a fresh Linux install.

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    i can’t open .webp files anymore because edge doesn’t exist anymore, and i’m too lazy to change the “default opener program™”.

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    My biggest issue with windows is it not telling you the exact reason for some weird behavior, and then making it intentionally difficult to go in and modify/fix it yourself.

    Linux might break more often, but when it does I’ve ALWAYS been able to recover or restore it far far easier than I ever could on a windows machine, partially due to the actually helpful error messages.

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      Linux might break more often, but when it does I’ve ALWAYS been able to recover or restore it

      Yep. On Windows the mantra is always “Just reinstall”.