• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    ·
    9 months ago

    I did not say you could not eliminate the influence of money on politics, did I? You did. I countered it, and now you’re implying that it’s impossible to completely get rid of.

    You can account for bad actors and power-seekers woth egalitarian distribution of power and a prevention against gaining in power.

    • UsernameHere@lemmings.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      9 months ago

      You can account for bad actors and power-seekers woth egalitarian distribution of power and a prevention against gaining in power.

      How? Without stating how this is accomplished, you’re response is only really saying,

      ‘you can account for bad actors and power-seekers by living in a perfect world where bad people don’t exist’

      If there were an economic system that achieved that it would be a utopia. I don’t know of any utopias on earth.

        • UsernameHere@lemmings.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          9 months ago

          There are still hierarchies in socialist economies. Thats why there is still disparity in socialist economies.

          Do you have an example of one of these socialist societies where everyone has equal power?

          • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            9 months ago

            What hierarchy? Statist hierarchy? That’s why the goal of Socialism is Communism, and nobody has reached Communism yet. Do you think we live at the end of history?

            • UsernameHere@lemmings.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              9 months ago

              Goals are nice. But we are talking about how to achieve an economic system that actually achieves this. Not just sets goals to.

              You are claiming Communism and Socialism can do it but when I ask for an example you say they just haven’t done it yet.

              If they have existed for centuries but haven’t achieved their goals yet what makes you think they can?

              • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                9 months ago

                I think it can be achieved because it’s based in logical progression of real systems. If I can take your exact same argument and use it against Capitalism in pre-revolution France, with a similar lack of logical foundation, I don’t think your argument holds any water. It’s more like a strainer than a bowl.

                • UsernameHere@lemmings.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  9 months ago

                  If it just needs to be “based in logical progression of real systems” to achieve the goal, then why has it not succeeded yet after centuries of existence?

                  If I can take your exact same argument and use it against Capitalism in pre-revolution France

                  My argument that disparity is caused by people pursuing power and not economic systems?

                  Please explain how your example of France proves my argument wrong.

                  • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    ·
                    9 months ago

                    Because history occurs over time, not instantly.

                    Here’s perhaps the funniest use of your own terrible argument: you believe that humans cannot land on Mars, because it hasn’t happened yet, at least if you’re at all logically consistent. You also believe the iPhone 20 will never exist, of course.

                    See why your argument that “if this is what happens over time, why hasn’t it happened now?” is horrible? You make no actual analysis, in fact, you run from analysis.

                    Please make an actual point.