Meanwhile, Windows in 2023: “oh, you plugged the same flash drive into a different USB port? Better reinstall a new set of drivers!”
"Let me search for a solution
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No solution found"
Has the annoying “search for a solution” window ever found a solution?
Yes for stupid stuff like turning off the network device, to cut access to the internet. Windows finds by itself that the network device is disconnected and reconnects it by itself. Granted it’s not much, but it’s as complicated to find that menu than to run that utility.
Has the annoying “search for a solution” window ever found a solution?
Actually yes. In W7, at least, anytime sound wasn’t doing what it should have the “search for solution” button would fix it right up. The first time it gave and performed a solution and worked I was dumbfounded.
2003*
Never had my PC (win10: 2016-2022 and win11: 2023-now) install a driver for a USB stick ever.
Even some external devices are painless.
And I see plenty of PCs in my job.Edit: Win7 on the other hand…
I see it regularly with Win10, and I also see plenty of PCs in my job.
I once was fixing someones computer booting with Bluescreen, because Windows 7 thought it found newer drivers for USB 3.1, and those newer were causing BSOD
huh every time I plug my Logitech receiver in a different port I get a notification about a driver installation, fortunately it’s almost instant on my new pc but it’s still weird that we need that in 2023
Never had that happen since… XP at least? It’s been too long for me to recall 95 and 98…
How do you recognize a Linux user?
You don’t. They’ll tell you at the first opportunity.
I am a vegan, Linux, unsexual. Thanks for asking.
You should get into crossfit. Or ultramarathons.
You forgot that you were using arch, btw.
Go to hp website and download crapware thats gonna search for drivers for you. Make sure to install symantics bullshit, amd catalyst bullshit, hp battery bullshit and other useless crap too.
Meanwhile linux boots to a perfectly running computer first time with no icons in the tray.
It seems like alottaaaaaa people on lemmy specifically haven’t used windows in the past several years. Built in AV is pretty much king on windows. Almost all drivers auto install even Nvidia albeit not the latest nvidia sometimes. Ten has built in battery options. You’re speaking about prebuilts and trying to spin the narrative. Windows 10 is a great OS, it’s hilarious how people attempt to pretend it’s not.
I installed Windows (both 10 & 11) last month on separate occasions, it took nearly 45m for it to install (with both 10 & 11), on top of that Windows 11 fucked up the first time around & I had to do it again. All to just update the BIOS because HP sucks.
When a Linux distro like Linux Mint installs in 5m-10m flat on the same exact device, first time around ever time.
Linux doesn’t need AV software, “security by design” is a key principle of Linux, and I don’t even think Windows itself actually “needs” AV software. It’s called common sense.
Automatically installing drivers won’t work if your WiFi card is unsupported out of the box like others have mentioned, especially with Windows 11 where you need internet to even install it the official “Microsoft way”. While Linux has all such supported drivers built-in and can provide support for these devices long past their EOL on Windows.
Nvidia drivers will auto install on Linux distros such as Mint too.Windows 10 is a great OS, it’s hilarious how people attempt to pretend it’s not.
Nobody said it wasn’t, his comment comes off more as shitting on HP than Windows; we just don’t ignore it’s downside when looking at the whole picture.
Also Windows 11 is arguably worse than Windows 10.Each OS has pros & cons and it’s important to look at each closely without assuming someone else is in fairyland because they chose a different OS then you, if you’re not careful you may find yourself in the very fairyland you’re accusing others of being in.
You forgot whan the upgrade of the drivers and bloatware goes wrong on windows… What a great experience of “simplicity”
You forgot the part where you have to look up what to write in the terminal whenever you want to do something, but I forgive you, it’s easy to forget something you need to do daily.
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On the other hand, it takes only four letters and hitting enter for me to update everything installed on my pc so not that hard to memorize a few commands.
I literally click one button and it starts the entire automated update process. The only interruption is asking for a password
Imagine thinking the terminal is something to be forced into.
“I hate searching for drivers”
???
Of all the Linux nitpicks, you chose the one wrong answer.
Linux is way better with automatically installing drivers than Windows. Unless you’re using Nvidia, it’s literally in the kernel.
Linux has the issue of lacking in enterprise media software like Microsoft Office and Adobe Products. The former of which has long since become a non-issue. Adobe however persists. And some games will never run so long as the devs hold them hostage on anti-proton anticheat varients.
And most people use Nvidia. Don’t act like it’s a small number.
apt install nvidia-driver
pacman -S nvidia
Most gamers use nvidia.
The average person uses integrated intel or amd graphics.
They didn’t imply that little people were using Nvidia GPUs, he is referring to the fact that you do like…2 extra clicks or so to install Nvidia’s drivers? You don’t even need to open a web browser!
Lmao. “Unless you’re in the majority of PC gamers then it’s not a problem” Linux users I swear
Pretty much every distro offers an easy way to install nvidia drivers.
It’s the peripherals that really need drivers. I remember having to install digimend drivers for my friend’s graphics tablet for example. That said, it wasn’t supported well on Windows either and performed better on my Linux setup than on Windows once I did find out about the digimend drivers.
Driver troubles for peripherals aren’t uncommon in Windows either. Don’t get me started on printers. Somehow, printers and scanners have always been plug and play for me on Linux, contrary to what I often hear.
What are you even talking about? Hardware issues in Linux are neverending, not just Nvidia. How’s your HDR support going? DRM support? Can you plug multiple monitors and have different DPI settings on them yet? Got AptX LL? Let’s be real - fuck all works on Linux.
I have a 4k laptop display and use it alongside 2 1080 monitors just fine nowadays, Wayland handles that no problem
AFAIK HDR support still sucks though
Well, that’s good to know!
Not sure whether this is sarcasm or not
Widevine DRM works in both Chrome/Chromium and Firefox. HDR Support is nearly done. Yes, we can have different DPI/Scaling per monitor thanks to Wayland.
Go get some up-to-date information.
Adobe Photoshop is the only tool in Adobe’s suite that Linux can’t compete with. Inkscape is on par with Illustrator. Krita for whatever Adobes’s drawing tool is named. There are several proprietary or FOSS alternatives for Premiere Pro. It’s just GIMP that has a poor UI.
Inkscape is not on par.
So many Lemmy users are going to feel personally attacked seeing this lol
I don’t feel attacked just confused
Drivers are included in the Kernel on linux.
Windows on the other hand… let’s just say it can’t handle printers very well
nVidia has entered the chat
Yeah I was very confused. Only thing one needs to install nowadays is mesa and the correct Vulkan loader
Am sorry, but what? Who searches for drivers on Linux? I’ve been a user for decades now and searching is either don’t buy shit hardware or just do apt search.
Windows on the other hand is literally looking on support sites to find latest version.
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No true nerd and or communist wants noobs and or libs on lemmy, sure your inferior thoughts are welcome and we’re here to help correct them.
The empty threat that lemmy won’t grow is irrelevant to me, the more like minded people who see proprietary software and capitalism for the sham they are, the more they move to better alternatives that truly care about them.
I have never even thought about drivers let alone search for them in Linux. Everything just works out of the box.
The only exception was when I wanted to try a different version of an NVIDIA driver. Ironically the one that worked best was the one that came with Ubuntu and was installed by clicking a checkbox to use proprietary drivers over open source
I couldn’t get Bluetooth to work reliably. Never thought something as simple as a Bluetooth headset would give me such problems.
You must have the absolute most common computer setup ever.
F*** me, I was just setting up the Windows drivers on my old laptop to give away and it took hours of downloading proprietary freeware that kept installing random programs. It’s 100x easier on Linux or MacOS
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Yeah, having to resort to downloading drivers from a super sketchy third party virus site is the windows experience.
This is excellent recycling of the cringe original
What’s the original?
Thanks for sharing that, even despite the uncontrollable facepalm that resulted. What’s terrible is that despite the fact that this artist is so crazy and racist, his art is actually pretty good.
I thought I recognized the art style. They over exaggerate peoples facial expressions so much, yet somehow its always one of five faces
The father finds a bible, then screams at the daughter to get pregnant and have an abortion immediately.
It’s by an unhinged right-wing artist who made this unironically
What? Really? But as a cartoon how does that even work if it’s not ironic? … He asked rhetorically, knowing the right wing humor is basically just incoherent hate.
I have had to spend so much more time thinking about drivers on Windows than on Linux it’s not even funny
And what are Nvidia users supposed to do?
I have never had problems with Nvidia drivers on Linux mint detects them and ask if you want to install the official drivers
LMDE didn’t install the DKMS modules on my kid’s PC, so the nVidia drivers never loaded after a new kernel got installed. I do enough tech support at work so we chucked Pop!_OS on the PC (and set it up with btrfs and timeshift-autosnap) instead. No more problems.
May not be a problem with mainline Mint, of course, but there are weirdos like me who prefer the Debian edition.
Don’t be ashamed of using Debian!
They’re supposed to buy an AMD card, obviously. /s
I wish AMD had a competitive 4090 alternative
It depends on your distro
Use POP OS which has NVIDIA Drivers in the iso
Or Nobara which has a dedicated Nvidia install tool in its welcome screen
I’m starting to wonder if this is a meme or if people are actually having problems.
It’s baffling to me. I just started using Linux Mint (Cinnamon) recently for the first time in my life, and it asked if I wanted to install the official Nvidia drivers during the initial setup.
press two buttons after install
…to let the distro pick the best driver for you? That’s what I do at least.
I install Windows, everything works, I install PopOS, everything works. So yeah, an equal amount of time.
I don’t know how Linux users are using Windows but whenever I see comments like these I’m surprised they aren’t using OSX or a tablet instead of a computer by now because they clearly don’t know what they’re doing…
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Or using any legacy hardware such as the playstation eyetoy camera, a usb keyboard with a built in piano keyboard, some old random TV tuner card
Then there’s the hardware which windows only ever had 32bit drivers for, meaning even if you find the drivers on some obscure dodgy site they’ll never work.
Then there’s the whole bs of windows not allowing unsigned drivers.
None of these issues on Linux
The problem is maintaining the os. Installing the drivers on windows is usually fine. Maintaining them is frustrating, because of how updates has to be done, and the dirty uninstall process, and the issues.
On many Linux distro it doesn’t work perfectly, but maintenance is so trivial that people become used to it. And going back to a high maintenance OS is annoying. Like going back from a modern EV to ford model T. Some people like the experience of going back in time to the mid 90s with Windows, other prefer the simplicity of maintaining a Linux OS
I dont get it, can you provide some examples please? I installed windows 10 like 2 years ago on my “new” laptop. I have installed all drivers from my external hardrive. Since then I havent done anything related to drivers ever. If I plug something in, like an external screen, controller, mouse, headphones whatever, it installs itself automatically and just works. I havent done any maintenance either, except I will dust it off every other month or so. And thats pretty much the same with every PC I ever owned. What OS maintenance am I supposed to be doing? I sometimes do registry cleanup and disk defrags, but I thinks those are just placebos :D
There no real control of what and how you installed stuff. This create long term issues. This is why you perform registry clean up. But it is not enough, because of orphaned and conflicting dlls, inconsistent installation paths, conflicting versions. You probably don’t see just because you are used to the issues and you think that’s how things work.
If you install a better os, everything is accurately and centrally managed, making maintenance much more easy. Problem is with closed sourced software and drivers, because they break the normal processes of installation and maintenance, creating similar issues as in windows (not as bad because the os is better engineered)…
I’ve never done any registry cleanup for years now, ever since I know better than to think Windows need any of that. How many years ago have you used Windows? You’re like that Windows user that keeps telling people you can’t game on Linux. It’s old news by now.
I unfortunately have to deal with it daily at work… With a premium laptop that cost thousands, and it is extremely less performant than much smaller and older machines with linux (I use linux at work as well).
I am not saying anything controversial. It is literally the reason why windows professionally is used for accountants, but it is practically never used for tasks that require performances, reliability, stability and long term maintainability.
Most casual users live with these issues, many move to mac, few move to linux. Victims of corporate IT like me must justify the budget to avoid the standard laptop and get the overpriced piece of extremely powerful hardware to have a daily experience slightly better than a raspberry pi running on respbian. Because outlook…
I am using a Netbook from 2009, Atom N570 1666Mhz, 2Gbyte RAM, 120GByte SSD. It is 550 gramm light, is so small it fits into the interior pocket of my jacket, runs eight hours on battery. And everything runs okeyish on it except maybe Youtube-Videos inside Firefox. So I set Firefox to start Youtube-Videos in VLC. Now I can even watch Youtube on my rusty old Netbook.
Worst problem: 32Bit support is running thin nowadays. It could run 64Bit but on that old system that actually costs quite some performance.
I have spent very little time worrying about drivers on either.
On windows geforce came preinstalled and I just updated it occasionally when something didn’t work
On NixOS I add one line to my config file and it handles Nvidia drivers for me and updates with the rest of my packages
This is the realest thing I’ve ever realed in my whole reality
I mean, I still have to make sure my driver’s are up to date because Windows doesn’t always have the latest version available in WSUS. I honestly would be on Ubuntu right now if I didn’t play so many games.
Let the manufacturer know they need to update their driver’s when you find new ones. They should be doing that automatically or they may have a reason they aren’t pushing them to windows update
that’s a big lol, Ubuntu has given me tons of driver problems, and it’s only gotten worse since 2010. there really needs to be an option to download an extra-bloated ISO with every possible WiFi driver included. if the WiFi doesn’t work, how the hell am I supposed to download the driver?? (rhetorical question) not to mention, the loss of easily installable VMware Tools included with VMware Player / Workstation / vCenter makes it way harder to configure VMs. that last bit isn’t Linux’s fault, it’s VMware being stupid, but is absolutely a barrier to testing out new distros
