I mean, googling that does not give the result you claimed it would. In fact, it talks more about how they opened up different types of camps instead

You are making things up, things that I haven’t said. Most countries have stories of genocide of one people or another. That is not saying it is inevitable, it’s just history.

normalizing genocides of mostly European origin

Several of which you stated were which weren’t…

Counting genocides perpetrated against a population as proof of genocide being common by almost every population is just the intellectual bankruptcy cherry on top.

I was not. You twisted the truth like the korean one, and assumed I was talking about different ones than I was. More however, I said countries–not populations, which would be quite the different subject. Plenty have primarily been targeted by genocides. You underestimate how much genocide takes place, and continually make things up to pretend it’s just a European problem. Wholly ignoring that one of the active present ongoing genocides is being perpetrated by china.

…yeah because you said genocide was special to western countries… I’m not some “the whites are getting genocided” person. You denied the genocides perpetrated by other countries and said it was special to typical white countries with a very clear implication.

You started this saying that most countries had been FOUNDED on genocides

I clarified in another comment I meant had done genocide, not founded on it. And yes, most. Not every.

it’s very normal that a nation has had an uninterrupted body of government after they either completely or partially eradicated the native population

I’m not saying it’s good. Quite the opposite in fact. I want People to just understand it’s not some united states special. However, it is much more more typical than people want to think it is

I never referred to it as unavoidable. That was you making things up. It is avoidable, as long as we work together to stop it

These countries get on their high horse when they have an exceptionally genocidal history.

My point was meant to point out how countries with genocidal histories like to point out others as the ones to avoid repeating examples of rather than their own history.

You’re being straight up racist assuming it’s only white western countries commit genocides.

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Somali, Chile, Argentina, south Africa, Japan, Korea, China. It’s horrifyingly common no matter what area.

Also, what part of genocide do you think is about being civilized…?

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Leftist extremism is we need to destroy society. Rightist extremism is “we need to genocide black people” yeah, pretty clear one is a lot better

…wait, you thought this was a defense? I’m sorry, perhaps I worded it poorly then.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples

What makes you think it’s not true? A gander through the history of genocide shows how horrifyingly common it is

I was more referring to general genocide than specifically native populations–but even that there is no shortage of countries like Australia, Canada, and japan that have done as such.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples

There is a depressingly high number.

I hate to tell you this, but basically every country has the same story, except the very young. They don’t need to learn from our history; they should learn from their own.

Imagine portraying trump as anything but dementiaed. You know he posts a about razing all of gaza to the ground to build a resort, right?

I’m asking you why would you think that is not already integrated in my way, since I think it is implied by what I explained.

Your way is assuming they will question the things with your push statements. What I’m saying is they believe they have solid foundation, and their alternative facts account for most pushes. They’ll bring up reasons. They’ll say “facts”(obviously not real ones, but they have them). They’ll feel they’re knowledge. Those things cause them to effectively counter soft pushes, in my opinion.

I think this could work, but it limits the number of opportunities quite a lot. I see no reason to not try both.

Fair enough that there’s not really a good reason to try both. I feel like a key to it is not being condescending, ehich soft pushes ring as to me.

My method has limited opportunities, but since I primarily utilize it at work, I’m meeting this people frequently

Why would you think it’s without knowing they got intoxicated by fake news?

I really can’t make heads or tails of this sentence.

That’s the point, you think they have wrong ideas, so you push them gently to increase the chance that they will question them by themselves.

I don’t disagree with gentle pushing. I’m saying what your idea is not going to push them at all, nor will it be taken as gentle. Honestly, it makes me wonder if you’ve actually interacted with these sorts.

The best approach that I’ve found is to beat them to the punch of saying things. Basically, make points before they can say stipid shit, they’re very easily manipulated if they haven’t already taken a stance in the conversation

Also going into the points they aren’t as sure on, proving them wrong, has given me a great basis of getting them to admit they’re wrong. It’s all in tone of voice. Not being a dick about it.

No. That’s a poor way to do it. They have very clear ideas on why things are like they are, and for the basis of their racism… they’re wrong ideas, but they’re extremely clear. Arguing without the understanding that they have alternatives facts is wrong

They just bring up information as fact that they’ve put no research into demonstrating.

I know people like this. They’re “nic”. But what that means is they put everyone they know into “one of the good ones” box. So they’re polite to all people they know, basically… It’s interesting and horrifying to see tbh

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