Aka, “Why Don’t You Respond to Criticism?”
It all boils down to bad faith. They don’t care what argument you make, you’ll never sway them. They’re not interested in the debate with you as much as as they are just getting their bullshit out there for randos to read. Like you say, while you’re finding sources and making sure everyone agrees on terminology they’ve already said 3 more things that are completely wrong.
4chan is a “far-right forum” now?
why do you hate David Spade?
I thought we were supposed to. Isn’t that half his characters?
So you’re saying socialism is the same as Marxism right?
I just need to touch base so we can circle back.
The episode of Maury I saw, the guy found out he wasn’t the father and started break dancing all over the stage, it was great.
As the top comment points out, they banned Linkerbaan. You could argue it was a public service.
I visited about 25 years ago and can confirm it was like living in a different century.
I’ve watched that video a dozen times and even in the heavily edited video you can tell the guy won’t leave him alone. That was apparently the third interaction they had
Bart Sibrel is a conspiracy theorist, liar, and a grifter and wiki makes it sound like he had it coming. Say what you want about “patriotism” and “heros” and the military industrial complex; Buzz Aldrin climbed on top of a rocket and rode it into space and was only the second person to step foot on another celestial body. He was a fighter pilot before that and was the first astronaut with a PhD. He lost close personal friends in the space program, they all did. IMO he be allowed another jab if he wants.
everyone knows that naked baby pictures are used to torture children in front of their serious romantic partners brought home for the first time. This has not happened in my 14-year-old daughter’s life yet
What age did you start meeting your partners parents? Gonna be any time now isn’t it?
can you provide evidence that has ever happened to any parent?
How could I even find that evidence? I don’t have access to court records re custody battles and divorces or therapy notes from every doctor out there. I showed you links indicating that even unintended childhood trauma lingers into adulthood but you dispute showing embarrassing images could possibly be humiliating or that any parent could possible make a bad decision regarding them.
seem to think you can make any claim you like without evidence
I never claimed it happened, I claimed it could be bad which is self evident to me but apparently not everyone. My hypothetical illustrated how easily innocent actions could be misconstrued, nothing more.
get indignant about it when you aren’t automatically believed.
My only point here is that maybe taking pictures of your naked children and parading them around when their first boy/girlfriends start coming over (the thing you said it was for) maybe isn’t the best idea and could be saved for a time later, when they’re ready to show people. If anyone is indignant it’s someone who feels their parenting skills are being questioned.
Evidence?
Was the focal point of the photo on the child’s genitalia or pubic area?
“It seemed to be.”
“Was the child who is depicted in an unnatural pose, or in inappropriate attire, given the age of the child?”
“They were naked.”
“Was the child nude or fully or partially clothed?”
“Completely nude your honor.”
That’s how quickly that can be used against you and I for one don’t have that kind of faith in our legal system.
Look, it’s your kid you do whatever you want, we could argue back and forth all day, I’m sure you’re a decent parent and handle things as appropriately as possible but for anyone else reading this maybe give some consideration to pictures you take of your vulnerable kids and what purpose those pictures serve, some strategic bubbles or a cloth make the picture 100% innocent and it becomes a non-issue.
you’re saying a baby feels trauma and shame when it has its picture taken and that leads to psychological problems as an adult and creates more trauma when you show that photo to their partner?
You’re being willfully obtuse. The trauma and shame comes from the picture being displayed for the parents amusement to potential romantic partners the first time they come over, presumably in their early teens.
virtually every new parent has photos of their baby naked on their phone.
Most I’ve seen are completely swaddled and only their little faces are visible.
And it’s legal.
Where did you get your law degree?
I have no idea why you don’t think it would be. A nude picture of your own baby is not child porn.
I mean, I personally agree with that.
No one has ever been put on a sex offender list for having a picture of their child just after it exited the womb on their phone.
Crazier shit has happened and we’re not talking about gross little bloody newborns fresh out of the box. In every baby pic I’ve ever seen (and in the context of this comic); they’re bath pics, specifically ones with their junk in it! It’s weird, just place some bubbles or a wash cloth strategically or something it’s not that difficult fuck.
And yet I don’t think you do have a point without evidence,
My point is childhood trauma takes a lot of forms and “good natured” showing naked pictures of your children to potential romantic partners the first time they visit (the thing we were talking about) is undoubtedly traumatic for a portion that experience it. I’m not aware of any specific studies studying the impact of showing nude photos of your children to their potential romantic suitors but I do know that childhood trauma has been studied and has far-reaching, unknown impacts. Even if the victim often doesn’t recognize the instance as abuse until much later in life, if ever.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/psychology-self/2018/09/childhood-toxic-shame
https://mind.help/news/childhood-humiliation-can-leave-lifelong-scars-warn-mental-health-experts/
Again, where do you get your psychology degree from?
I was about halfway through a sociology degree (admittedly as a pretty subpar state university) before I transferred to CS. What’d you study?
I’m sorry… do you think it’s illegal to have a photo of a naked baby on your phone?
They’re not something I’d want on my phone obviously.
We’re talking about pictures of your kids genitals. What a weird fucking hill to die on. Its your kid, take all the pics you want, probably don’t get caught with them on your phone.
It’s ok to just say “you know what you might have a point” and walk away sometimes my dude.
Psychology isn’t based on your bets.
Spoken like someone who’s never been in therapy or studied psychology, people bet and guess and infer stuff all the time; it’s a “soft” science for a reason.
That means no baby pictures at all.
Specifically pictures of their genitals, I feel like no baby genital pics is a good default, yes, what a weird hill to die on.
You have no evidence of this trauma.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
You’re just guessing.
Guessing, inferring, surmising, call it whatever helps you sleep at night. I think of it as erring on the side of safety and respect for my kids. Not having pics of their junk doesn’t make my life any worse, there’s only downsides for them.
I didn’t dismiss anyone’s trauma, I’m asking if that has ever resulted in anyone’s trauma
How can I speak for every person? Has it caused someones trauma? Yeah I bet it has. You initially made it sound like you were showing bath pics to every teen-aged first date that came over which would obviously be pretty fucked up.
showing the partner the first couple of pictures of the kid as a baby should be acceptable to people just as a “this is what they looked like when it all began"
Yeah we agree, baby pics are fun, I especially like noting family resemblances as everyone ages. My sister made my mom a big set of scrapbooks/albums for each of her kids one year, no naked baby pics were included. They’re great fun to look at, highly recommend.
They also are unable to understand the concept of consent, let alone give it.
This is the primary issue, without even going into the obvious power dynamic between child and parent when it comes to consent later. Where do a childs rights end and parents begin?
I would also suggest that if that did cause someone trauma, it would be because the parent was aware this sort of thing would upset their child to that level and did it anyway.
I would suggest that most parents think they’re doing great doing it just like it’s always been done (i.e. generational trauma) and “they turned out just fine.” but there are definitely some intentionally abusive ones too. The child with the intentionally abusive parent is obviously going to have way more trauma.
I think most parents wouldn’t actually show the pictures if they knew it would cause the child real psychological pain, because that isn’t the point in doing it.
The “real psychological pain” part makes it look like you’re dismissing trauma, just because it’s not something you experienced doesn’t mean it isn’t valid and while intent matters so does the result. I’m sure you specifically are a good parent and you’re very conscious of your kids mental headspace but by default I’d say save it for the fiance if you just have to have them.
Yeah saving it for their long term partners (if you have to) is probably a better idea than showing them during the first meeting.
And please don’t dismiss other peoples trauma because you didn’t experience it personally, childhood trauma takes many different forms, some we’re only just becoming aware of.
You’re (wisely) backpeddling now but you said:
used to torture children in front of their serious romantic partners brought home for the first time.
Things were different when we were kids. It’s a fucked up thing to psychologically abuse your (presumably) teenage kids like that and objectively people know that. (Your daughters) consent in the subject is the only thing that matters. The only reason anyone is giving you a pass is because you’re FlyingSquid, but maybe leave those pictures in the closet until closer to the wedding.
I probably wouldn’t classify it that way. It’s a cesspool but not really what I’d consider “far right” like say Stormfront.
You’ll find people openly arguing with Nazis so it’s not really fair to say it’s a far right forum as much as it is just a complete cesspool where the worst side of people comes out.
FWIW I wouldn’t really consider Telegram a far right forum either even though they’re definitely there and highly visible.