And about 26% of voting age adults voted for Donald Trump in 2016/2020.
Almost like there’s an intelligence threshold that keeps manifesting that ~30% number…
Representatives don’t have a free mandate in a democracy, they’re bound by laws and by their constituency.
How are your councils formed and what restricts their power?
Millions of people died in China during the Great Leap, with estimates ranging from 15 to 55 million, making the Great Chinese Famine the largest or second-largest[1] famine in human history. [Wiki]
Pretty high number, and that’s not even counting anything more contemporary.
Beginning in 2014, the Chinese government, under the administration of Chinese Communist Party (CCP) General Secretary Xi Jinping, incarcerated more than an estimated one million Turkic Muslims without any legal process in internment camps. Operations from 2016 to 2021 were led by Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo.[2] It is the largest-scale detention of ethnic and religious minorities since World War II. [Wiki]
So, yes, the genocide in Gaza is criminal, no less egregious or evil and those committing or supporting it should be brought before a tribunal, but they’re still rookie numbers compared to the CCP. Even if you go all the way back to the Nakba. There’s simply no way around it.
If you’re going to act morally outraged about the US, you can’t then just skip over China because it’s politically uncomfortable. Xi had execution vans ffs.
I’d think so, yeah, the CCP alone has pretty insane numbers, which is saying a lot.
You have to keep in mind that there’s something like a million Uighurs in China that got scooped up and put in concentration camps 2010s. There’s Tianamen, Tibet, the purges during Xi’s rise to power, the brutalization of HK and the literal millions dead under Mao through both intentional acts to purge the party and punish dissidents and simply the incompetance of the the failed economic theories.
I’m unclear, why would anyone be in favor of a government like the CCP having more geopolitical influence?
There has certainly been a lot, but my gut still says China or maybe Soviet Union.
It really depends on how far back you are going and what criteria you’re using to ascribe responsibility for any given type of death.
For example, if a CCP guard kills a Uyghur prisoner in one of the camps that’s obviously a death under the CCP, but if China creates an economic crisis in some country via its Belt and Road debt colonialism campaign and someone there subsequently dies due to hardship stemming from those economic issues is the CCP responsible?
That’s the one
Ah, you must be talking about Stonetoss the Nazi.
He’s a nazi.
You speak as if the democrats cooperating with republicans is a flaw on their part. They don’t exist in a vacuum — they have to deal with the American public.
The majority of Americans are for basically all progressive policies, particularly when asked directly about a policy rather than a party or politician.
The issue is not the American people (of who MAGA chuds are 30% at best) the issue is that Democrats and Republicans work in concert to rig the system and deny the people access to politicians who are actually willing to implement popular policy.
This corporate circle jerk game (fueled not inconsiderably by Citizens United) is why the fascist roght is able to keep pushing our institutions further t9 the right. Establushment Democrats and Republicans are so busy gorging on lobby payouts and shoving AIPAC money ip their asses that they literally put up no resustance except when it comes to changing the status quo. Which is when they turn and will snarl and bite at anyone who tries to interrupt them.
So no, it is not “dealing with the American people” it’s deliberately side stepping and suppressing them to loot our nation’s legacy.
Here’s the problem, people don’t vote down ticket, and they only vote every 4 years instead of every 2 years.
In no small part due to DNC suppression and interference. This is why people say the neoliberals need to be allowed to fail until they have no option but to tlstop suppression tactics (or leave and go to the GOP where they belong)
The base cannot reform the DNC they can only starve the power structure until it’s desperate enough to stop sniping progressives. It worked after Clinton’s failure, we got a ton of progressives in office after that.
In terms of establishment conservative Democrats and Republicans? Yes, they represent the same path to fascism. So it’s not both sides, more like same side.
Progressives would be the only non-fascist side.
Well, at least that’s a cogent basis for an argument, thank you.
Though I still think this is something Democratic strategists should understand at this point – ultimately it’s Biden’s responsibility to drive out voters, not play chicken with his base in defense of unrepentant war criminals.
I don’t think voters can be blamed for being unable to support the politics of the party moving so far to the right, especially when Biden’s presidency itself is already representative of a massive compromise by progressive voters. If Biden loses, the blame and pressure needs to be put onto the DNC and Biden for failing to do what it takes to keep their base fed, not on the voters, or we are going to end up in this same cycle forever.
A lot of our most prominent progressive representatives came into office after 2016, as a result of Clinton’s failure. The party strategists understand when they lose, they do post-mortems even if they’re not public about them. So I still hold that it’s a valid strategy to allow democrats to fail when they end up going to far to the right, especially in such an egregious case as what we see with Gaza. Democratic support for the genocide can’t continue, it’s beyond the pale.
Christ, why is this such a difficult question to answer? Is not voting for Trump a vote for Biden? Or is it not?
The technical distinction are becoming less and less compelling. The whole “Things will get better if you just vote for our chosen establishment democrat one more time.” starts to wear thin after decades of 0 substantial results and, more often than not, straight up complicity in the worst crimes of the far-right.
Establishment democrats support the corporate aristocracy and banks just the same, they barely fight for really basic stuff like civil rights and only enough so they have something to point to, not to actually fundamentally change anything in a way that the right can’t just reverse. That’s why we are where we are right now, the Conservative Democrats’ greed and lack of spine has allowed the far-right to capture the courts and undermine our institutions, unopposed over the course of 40-ish years.
The Democratic party is the only one with potential to change, but that’s never going to happen if they can just keep doing the pied piper shit and getting re-elected. For all intents and purposes they are identical.
So, for my own sake since I’m such a dumb pleb, you are saying not voting for Trump is a vote for Biden? Or is it not?
I kind of missed your answer to that.
Yes, both mass murderers are bad. The fuck kind of neolib crack have you been smoking?
This situation is more like seeing two people murdering others and getting told you’re supporting the one who has killed eight people instead of seven because I’m not helping either of them kill people.
Just following your logic.
You’re kind of avoiding the question.
If I “fail to support Trump” then I am defacto supporting Biden, right?
Kind of mildly misogynist though.