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The first time UFO was written about, the writer wrote out that it should be pronounced you-fo

I did not know this and think that is awesome lol

has to use context to determine which one I mean

I understand what you’re saying here and think that is very true for certain words lacking certain contexts, but I’ve never confused and ever met anyone who might confuse a peanut butter brand with a GIF in any context. Except maybe a GIF made by Jif, or a GIF of Jif.

How much time is required before something is allowed to change?

However long it takes for something to be more or less universally accepted. GIF’s pronunciation, despite being defined and sounded out for people, is not currently widely accepted in either pronunciation, or we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

When “Iegland” was first spelled as “Island” that was wrong. It was incorrect and stupid.

How is this different from the argument that GIF being pronounced with a hard G is incorrect and stupid? It was wrong then and over much time became right.

It’s not the amount of time, it’s how language is used and understood.

It takes time for linguistic changes to propagate and it doesn’t happen because one person decides it should change. If you walked around back when island was first invented and said “nice island” to a bunch of leglanders, they’d think you were an idiot because there hadn’t been enough time for people to start using it.

every rule can have exceptions.

Well then why the can’t GIF be GIF? Especially if the stated rule is the exception?

now your argument, had it been good, would’ve instead involved words like gin and gib…

and germ, gene, gel, gist, gem, gym… Anyway, see your above quote.

for example i would easily know the k in knight is silent because I’ve seen tons of other words that have the same silent letter. know, knife, knock, knack

Some rules are stupid and unintuitive. Sure it’s not “read as written”. But ask someone who is not familiar with and has never seen the word knave how to spell it. Adding a K would not be intuitive. Regardless, see your above quote.

third of all, these are not new words.

Yes, old words have had plenty of time for the original pronunciations and spellings to be forgotten and warped between cultures and generations. We cant ask the creators of most words how they were pronounced and those creators (if indeed a given word can be tracked to one creator, as can GIF), who are long dead, no longer give a shit and it’s unlikely that those changes were made in their lifetime. Do we know how they were pronounced in the past thanks to recorded history? Sure. Language changes over long periods of time. Like the climate, lots of small changing weather patterns over very long time periods creates a climate. People don’t just wake up one day and collectively say “fuck this word in particular” only to have everyone who speaks that language just change their ways. It happens over very long periods of time. GIF has hardly had any time for the original pronunciation lost to the ages. In fact, the guy who made it up only died 3 years ago, and he specifically told you how to say it. You then learned of this, and decided you knew better because it’s spelled funny for how it’s pronounced and then forgot:

every rule can have exceptions. Unless you don’t like it, I guess?

My chief complaint here is that when someone tells you how a word they have invented is pronounced, and you pronounce it differently on purpose, even if somehow your pronunciation was not objectively wrong, it’s still incredibly disrespectful to the person who created it.

every rule can have exceptions.

And so, GIF is pronounced “jif”, even if that makes it an “exception”.

Same, and I think that’s my chief argument. Everyone like “language is always changing” which is true, but the guy was like “it’s this. I made it, I named it, it’s this.” and everyone was like, “nah fuck off you’re wrong about how to pronounce thing that didn’t exist or have a pronunciation before you invented and name it.”

Did John Iland (legland?) see the first island and name it, then go around telling everyone how it was spelled and pronounced only to have it changed by some scholar? Or was it “Leopold the namer” who was like, “that is called an i-land, everyone! I invented it”.

Sarcastic, but also a genuine question. Who named the first island an island? How did he or she popularize it and distribute their intended pronunciation and original spelling? Did people ask him, get a definitive answer, and say, “no that’s wrong” to his face, like with GIF? Was the inventor upset by the change in spelling or did it happen hundreds of years after their death? Were they alive, do you think it would have bothered them that they were misspelling the word they invented?

Þæt ǣrest nama þæs “Īglandes” næfde nāne ‘s’ on him. Sum wita ēcde þæt ‘s’ swā stīllic gecēosung tō macienne þæt word līcian Lǣden (þēah hit næbbe Lǣden wurt). Nymþe þū ēac winne mid folce þæt “Hit is gespelod ‘Īegland’, forþām swā hit wæs ǣrest genemned,” þū meaht swīgian ymbe hū hit wæs ǣrest gedōn.

This form of spelling began to change as English mixed with French during the Norman conquest. Among other things capitalism had an influence on the way words were written as typesetters were paid by the line, which incentivized them to make words longer.

Language changes over time (like looong periods of time) as cultures grow and merge and I recognize and respect that. What I don’t respect when someone says, “I’ve made a really cool thing, and it’s spelled ‘like this’ and called ‘pronounced name’”, only to have other people basically reply to them, “no that’s stupid and you’re stupid for suggesting it”.

What a g-enius response from the g-entleman who thinks a proper noun refers only to names jiven to people, but not places, things, or ideas. I’m happy you wont incorrectly assign g-ender to a G-erman (or anyone else), but I fail to see how pronouns and proper nouns deserve different levels of respect.

look up genericized trademarks.

Do you mean g-enericized trademarks like Joogle, or things like asprin, thermos, coke, or linoleum? All of which are pronounced the same as they were pronounced when they were only used as trademarks? “Entering the lexicon” doesn’t change a pronunciation. People who can’t or won’t pronounce a word change pronunciations.

intuitive naming the intended pronunciation is stupider and less intuitive than its spelling suggests.

So every word used in the English language is intuitively named and pronounced how it’s spelled?

• Colonel
• Quinoa
• Sword
• Knight
• Wednesday
• Salmon
• Corps
• Tuscon
• Phlegm
• Indictment

The point I’m getting from you is that you don’t like the way a name is spelled / pronounced, so you say it the way you think it should be pronounced, which is what I’ve decided to do with all words that begin with G in this comment. According to you, that is valid and I have pronounced everything correctly because “no one has any control over how words are said”. So why bother wiht slpelnig nd prenunseeashun @ oll iff teh mesij iz kleer?

You and everyone else are joing to pronounce what you want how you want, and I jet that. That’s ok. But don’t try and push it as the “correct” pronunciation when the correct pronunciation is defined by the person who named the file format. “gif” is, at best, an alternate pronunciation of an already established word.

Despite our disagreement, I sincerely hope you have a good day.

“Launguage is define by usage” blah. I’m not sure that tracks for proper nouns and things that are given names by a creator.

Why do people get upset when someone says Camel-a Harris? Do I live in the Un-nighted Sta-tees? Have you ever viewed “hey-peg” image? What about a “we - B - M” which replaced the Geef?

When the guy that names it tells you how it’s pronounced, that is the pronunciation.

I can think of other groups that intentionally mispronounce names to belittle others.

Chili-P, man!

Haha the RS200 is the only “Cossie” I’m actually familiar with, as we didn’t get the homologated version in the USA :(

I did not recognize the Peugot though lol. Both sound like a load of fun to drive

is that a Cossie back there?

big want

on my keychain with a set of handcuff keys and some earplugs lol

Walmart’s self checkout probably doesn’t accuse you of stealing out loud. They want to wait until they can “prove” you’ve stolen over $1000 worth of goods over time so they can charge you with - I forget - either grand larceny or grand theft, which are felonies.

Lol one of the characters in my D&D group is named Farthard (pronounced Far-thard) and his steed is named Shithead (pronounced Sha-theed)

Oof ive had similar happen to me, not a fun time lol. They were so tiny too!

I guess I’m just glad I wasn’t their mother or they might have tried to eat me.

Tastes like metal

I’m happy for you that you can afford such a lifestyle.

Where do the local farmers get their tractors and tools? Where does the fabric, dye, looms, sewing machines etc. for clothing come from? Where does the furniture maker buy his tools and who makes them? Are your solar panels homemade? What does that electricity power?

Whether directly or not, some portion of the money we spend will end up in the hands of these corporations, even if it just means you paid the furniture guy for a chair and he used that money to buy his kids mcdonalds. And while it’s great that you sound like you’re actively trying to live in a sustainable way, I don’t think you get to deny that if you’re a part of the economy you’re still supporting corporations, simply due to the sheer depth and breadth of these companies.

Perhaps but I feel like with necromancy you gotta start small.

Rome wasn’t raised in a day, after all.

In my experience, one begets the other.

It’s a pain in the ass because its difficult to use. Or, at least more difficult than it needs to be.