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      Hey, i hate the british too, but the article doesn’t directly blame the british for the famines and it also includes famines that took place in non-british held or administrated territories.

      Nevertheless, it does point out that in many cases, british administration worsened the situation.

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        Nevertheless, it does point out that in many cases, british administration worsened the situation.

        To be fair… They were only practising for how they’d treat modern Britain.

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        It also just one territory, I’m sure the Irish also have a few bones to pick.

        Though speaking of time advantage, the best answer might be “mosquitos”, and while “blood sucking insects” could be a name for british colonists, they didn’t spread malaria since the dawn of humanity

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      Nice shoehorn of anglo-saxon history, but those famines are all plagues and crop faliures for the most part.

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        Why is it the rich never starve if it’s just a totally unaccountable natural disaster?

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          Rich usually have more resources and ability to purchase them at elevated prices. Hope that helps

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            So it’s less of a natural disaster and more of an economic disaster? I wonder why people would blame governments for that…

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              It is like miles away from the intentional economical engineering we are talking about. Still not sure why you are so bent on trying to wiggle them into a comparsion between regimes and personnel more direct, intentional and immediate like Mao or Stalin.

              If you dont distinguish from those, then why even have a debate on them?

              The joke implied that the question intended to ask one or very few directly involved personnel and you disregarded that. Thats it.

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                Right sure, when the British intentionally abuse Ireland and India it’s really just a whoopsie-daisy.

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                  Should I really do the same kind of jumping to conclusions?

                  Are you saying that the largest completely man made famine ever does not really deserve that much of a recognition?

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          No

          A famine is a widespread scarcity of food,[1][2] caused by several factors including war, natural disasters, crop failure, widespread poverty, an economic catastrophe or government policies.

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          Im pretty sure that was not during the drought itself, nor really caused it. It economically made sense and then probably exacerbated the famine.

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            It wasn’t just the drought. Indigo cropping destroyed the soil first, drought exacerbated the problems.

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        Or simply keeping with the theme of answers being a single individual and not an entire nation of hundreds of millions of people spanning centuries.

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          Fair enough to be honest. I hate Mao, Genghis Khan, Hitler and Stalin too for being genocidal fucks.

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        Is it Mr the brits or Mrs the brits?

        Ohhhh, you’re conflating a single leader with an entire country.

        You must be a lib, tankies say libs never argue in good faith, and your false equivalence is certainly in bad faith.

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          Until recently it was Mrs. Now it’s Mr or alternatively his majesty king Charles the 3rd.

          Is there enough reliable data to give a kill count for the different monarchs? It would be kind of interesting who scores highest in that regard.

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            Exactly! Mao was one leader, England killed millions, sure, but that was spread over many many rulers.

            Mao stands at the top afaik, I’d love to see some stats though!

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      Cats cant pronounce that tough, so it has to count all of those in a socialist’s name.

      In other news have you seen the latest royal wedding? So beautiful and glamorous, makes me feel blessed to have monarchs ruling over us!

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      I’ve used this joke IRL with our cats. There’s another one for dogs:

      A guy and a dog walk into a bar. The bartender says, “hey, you can’t bring a dog in here.”

      The guy says, “this is no ordinary dog. He’s a talking dog.”

      Bartender says, “yeah? Prove it.” The guy turns to the dog and says, “What’s on top of the building?” And the dog says “Roof! Roof!”

      Then the guy says, “How does a brick feel?” The dog says “Rough! Rough!”

      The guy then says, “Who was the greatest ballplayer of all time?” The dog says “Ruth! Ruth!”

      They are thrown out of the bar.

      When they’re out on the street, the dog turns to the man and says, “So, you think I should have said DiMaggio?”

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        They are thrown out of the bar

        I’m surprised you weren’t with that joke. speaking from experience, i love my lame jokes. (and I’m not totally stealing this one…not at all.)

        • KnightontheSun@lemmy.world
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          Lame jokes can be presented in a funny way. Delivery is important. My favorite method is “matter of fact” like I am telling a normal story about usual things. Catches the recipient off-guard and the joke lands much more betterer.

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        Or this classic very dark joke: How do you make a cat sound like a dog? You pour gasoline on the cat and light it on fire. WHOOF

        How do you make a dog sound like a cat? Push the dog through a buzz saw. MEEOOWW

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      That’s pretty fucked in the head, fam, even if these lists love blaming single communists but it when it comes time to talk about the death tolls of WW1 and 2 it’s always a shared responsibility and contextual.

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        What else would it be? I don’t see how one could blame WW1 on a single person. Though I would say most of WW2 could be blamed on a single person, if you really feel like it.

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          The sequel was completely inevitable. You could argue it was all because of one person, but that person appearing was basically predetermined.

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            I agree, but if you ignore all historical context, you could blame one person if you really wanted to, was what I meant.

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          And Mao personally executed 40 million people, huh? There wasn’t an entire ecosystem of officials fabricating reports at every level? His head of state security gets no credit for making everyone afraid to tell the truth?

          Hell, the obnoxious thing about it is all it really does it blame the wrong single communist, people go on about the sparrows but Lysenkoism had destroyed crop yields before they got exterminated.

          So, yes, it is as absurd to blame Mao entirely for The Great Leap Forward as it is to blame a Serbian assassin for WW1. There were cultural considerations, treaties, idiot officials, an agricultural policy built almost entirely on fraud, etc etc.

          The most devastating thing about the Great Leap Forward is that the famine was entirely preventable if people weren’t afraid to tell the truth, and that simply isn’t a situation that can be built by one person.

          Hell, there were good crops left to rot because the workers had left for the industrialization projects in the cities. Do you think Mao personally said “fuck that rice, go build some tractors?”

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              Everything is contextual. Hell the plan the assassins had was exactly to provoke a war. They might not have thought it would get as big as it did, they just wanted a civil war for independence, but if intentions don’t matter, and they must not for this discussion because the intention of The Great Leap Forward wasn’t to starve people.

              The funny thing with The Black Hand’s plan is, it worked. Serbia didn’t just get independence, it became the primary power of Yugoslavia when the Austro-Hungarian Empire was dissolved.

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        Well, the workers didn’t own the means of production, they didn’t abolish currency, they didn’t do anything about class division, they didn’t abolish the state, they didn’t empower the working class, and they aren’t going to do any of these things later, but on the other hand, you clearly think mao was very trustworthy so surely you must just be taking his word for it.

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    Mosquitoes, thanks to Malaria. Estimated kill count (according to a Nature article from 2002) 50-60 Billion people.

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      More a person responsible kinda thing. I think Mao does top it but due to starvation thanks to his idiot policies that ruined crops

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      Wow. You’re really gonna just blame a whole race over a few billion deaths?

      /s please don’t hang me in these streets