Well, China is a “beacon of prosperity” by any objective measure. I’ve not seen anyone there make the other claims. Though they do debunk a lot of the anti-Russia and anti-China propaganda, they back it up with facts.
It’s a beacon of prosperity when there are anti suicide nets at foxcon? Or like the 996? Run by a dictator, also committing genocide isn’t very prosperous. My interactions have been " if it’s western propaganda it’s entirely false, but Chinese or Russian propaganda is entirely true"
800 million people out of poverty is a stretch but if you wanted to make that claim, it’s because the west spent so much money to get goods from China. And the ethnic cleansing of the Uyghurs
Why are you so adamantly defending a country which abducts people for their beliefs? (Don’t come at me with “but murica does the same!!!”) The world is not the USA.
They didn’t “abduct people for their beliefs.” They had to reeducate a population that had been radicalized by western intelligence. Now the facilities no longer exist, they’ve been reintegrated, and the west was forced to admit they had no proof of their claims.
Reeducation is the humane option for dealing with violent religious zealots, the US kills them instead and regularly kills their families and innocent bystanders as well, I’d say anyone who prioritizes criticizing the former over the latter is a disgusting human being
800 million people out of poverty is a stretch but if you wanted to make that claim
Yeah, where do these stupid tankies get these numbers anyway? I’m sure China says they lifted 800 million kajillion people out of poverty or whatever, but let’s see what a western source like, say, The World Bank has to say about it.
it’s because the west spent so much money to get goods from China.
I swear these arguments get worse every day. You could just as easily say that the only reason the West has so much stuff is because China made it for them for cheap.
Wait, that’s actually a much more coherent argument lol.
The world bank? My person they are quoting the Chinese propaganda. The west had lots of stuff after ww2, they got more cheaper stuff when they offshored it to China that’s the coherent argument
The UN did not find genocide only human rights abuses at best. You can go to China, you can go to a mosque and talk to Uyghurs there.
Meanwhile the west is funding a real genocide in Gaza. You can’t go there to film the atrocities being committed and brave people still try. Israel has killed more journalists in their genocide than ww2
Or maybe if it’s so prosperous people wouldn’t want to work in a place where they want to kill themselves.
America has a higher suicide rate lol
That has never stopped authoritarian governments lol
I don’t understand what you’re saying. The 996 thing does exist but it was made illegal. Sometimes private companies try to make workers do more hours illegally.
Ok sorry ethnic cleansing isn’t genocide, sorry…
They didn’t find ethnic cleansing either. Again, you can go to Xinjiang and visit mosques with Uyghurs praying in them. So yeah ethnic cleaning ain’t happening.
And you think I’m supporting the west’s genocide in palestine? Nah miss me with that shit
You brought up the genocide to someone speaking positively of China. But the only ones doing genocide are the west. China does a bunch of bad shit it isn’t perfect but if genocide is the criteria we’re running with then China is the lesser evil.
They didn’t find ethnic cleansing either. Again, you can go to Xinjiang and visit mosques with Uyghurs praying in them. So yeah ethnic cleaning ain’t happening.
Who’s “they” ?
You brought up the genocide to someone speaking positively of China. But the only ones doing genocide are the west. China does a bunch of bad shit it isn’t perfect but if genocide is the criteria we’re running with then China is the lesser evil.
Nah china’s treatment of a Uyghurs is cultural genocide, China does do a lot of bad shit, and isn’t perfect, the western governments are also fucking horrible.
Are you suggesting America doesn’t do enough to prevent suicides? I agree.
Who’s “they” ?
The UN
Nah china’s treatment of a Uyghurs is cultural genocide, China does do a lot of bad shit, and isn’t perfect, the western governments are also fucking horrible.
Oh so now it’s a cultural genocide. Ok. So how do you explain that anyone is free to go to Xinjiang and see Uyghurs in Mosques speaking their own language if they’re being culturally genocided?
Are you suggesting America doesn’t do enough to prevent suicides?
I agree.
Two things can be true.
The UN
Oh sorry it’s just human rights violations, just like it wasn’t genocide in Palestine until the tide eventually turned on Israel fucking joke
Oh so now it’s a cultural genocide. Ok. So how do you explain that anyone is free to go to Xinjiang and see Uyghurs in Mosques speaking their own language if they’re being culturally genocided?
Everyone is free except for the over one million Uyghurs who had went to camps, beaten, raped and starved. And the over 500k of them that are still in prison just for being Uyghurs, super fucking free. Genocide is more than one thing. Jfc
Yeah human rights abuses. After all that whining about genocide. China doesn’t treat minority prisoners well. Funny same could be said of a lot of countries.
No genocide was found and the camps were shut down in 2017 yet whenever someone mentions something remotely positive of China there’s always that one idiotic comment. “But uyghur genocide”. Because this whole thing is nothing but anti-chinese propaganda and it’s been very effective.
No, freedom of press is not a measure of prosperity. And I don’t know many western countries that are in a position to point fingers at this point, considering how many journalists they’ve helped kill when they covered a genocide.
They deradicalized a sect that had been trained to destabilize the region by western intelligence, and reintegrated them into society. The facilities don’t even exist anymore, because they were successful.
Compare for instance homelessness in china and the west. Homeownership. Access to healthcare, higher education, public transportation etc. Why do you think it’s not a beacon of prosperity?
China doesn’t have better healthcare than the US, their system is essentailly Obamacare. I’ve asked my aunts in China about it.
Homeownership? I mean that’s just white westerners mismanaging their money. Literally I heard of white dudes be spending their entire paycheck in bars and gambling, while still having unpaid bills. Look at the percentage of Asian Americans owning homes compared to non-Asians Americans, maybe its not a “China vs West” thing, but just Asian people are more responsible with money, I mean, we literally live in the same country as y’all, and as a matter of fact, we even face more discrimination and prejudice, yet somehow, Asian people have higher home ownership. No offense, and not to victim blame, but what are y’all doing? I mean… My family didn’t come from a rich background either, we grew up in poverty.
High education? I mean, depends. I had a Hukou in Taishan (rural) and was denied access to Guangzhou’s (urban) public schools. A permanent 2nd class resident basically. Even the US (prior to 2025, at least) had allowed undocumented immigrants to go to public school, yet China denied their own citizens education if they dare to move to another location even within the country. If we hadn’t moved abroad, we have to eventually go to highschool in Taishan, which has a much lower quality of education than Urban areas.
Public transportation… well you got that part right, I’ll ackowledge that. I remember Guangzhou’s metro being way more modern and cleaner than the US, and I loved the platform safety door protecting people from falling. But that doesn’t exactly matter that much when the job market is fucked. And Hukou system is fucking stupid.
The only way for China to be a “beacon of prosperity” for you is if you have some skills like being a scientist or something like that, or just born into wealth. Otherwise, its not a great place for average people.
If its a beacon of prosperity, why are there so many people leaving? Why is there a consensus amongst the most of the Chinese Diaspora that the west is better?
Well, China is a “beacon of prosperity” by any objective measure. I’ve not seen anyone there make the other claims. Though they do debunk a lot of the anti-Russia and anti-China propaganda, they back it up with facts.
It’s a beacon of prosperity when there are anti suicide nets at foxcon? Or like the 996? Run by a dictator, also committing genocide isn’t very prosperous. My interactions have been " if it’s western propaganda it’s entirely false, but Chinese or Russian propaganda is entirely true"
Lifting 800 million people out of poverty is more than economic system has ever done.
What genocide?
800 million people out of poverty is a stretch but if you wanted to make that claim, it’s because the west spent so much money to get goods from China. And the ethnic cleansing of the Uyghurs
You can literally go to Xinjiang and visit mosques with Uyghurs praying in them. There is no genocide.
Israel says the same
Except you can’t go visit. And there is clear evidence.
Yeah there is pretty clear evidence of what China is doing
So you have evidence the state dept couldn’t find? Why don’t you share it with them?
https://law.stanford.edu/press/state-department-lawyers-concluded-insufficient-evidence-to-prove-genocide-in-china/
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
I’m still not clear on what exactly it is china is supposed to be doing, is it genocide? How are they doing it and for what purpose?
Turns out you can’t go there to investigate, I wonder why? https://ishr.ch/latest-updates/china-two-years-after-xinjiang-findings-un-rights-chief-reports-limited-access-to-information-reprisals-against-activists/
Why are you so adamantly defending a country which abducts people for their beliefs? (Don’t come at me with “but murica does the same!!!”) The world is not the USA.
They didn’t “abduct people for their beliefs.” They had to reeducate a population that had been radicalized by western intelligence. Now the facilities no longer exist, they’ve been reintegrated, and the west was forced to admit they had no proof of their claims.
Man, some people on lemmy are really fucking disgusting human beings
You find speaking against intelligence agencies to be disgusting?
Reeducation is the humane option for dealing with violent religious zealots, the US kills them instead and regularly kills their families and innocent bystanders as well, I’d say anyone who prioritizes criticizing the former over the latter is a disgusting human being
I think you posted the wrong link. That doesn’t disprove that you can go to Xinjiang and see Uyghurs in mosques.
You’re just another genocide denier. Goodbye.
There’s no denying. It just doesn’t exist.
There’s a genocide going on in Gaza. You aren’t allowed to go there and yet brave people still do and Israel shoots those that try.
You can go to Xinjiang. You can see and interact with Uyghurs. You can find them praying at their mosques.
Yeah, where do these stupid tankies get these numbers anyway? I’m sure China says they lifted 800 million kajillion people out of poverty or whatever, but let’s see what a western source like, say, The World Bank has to say about it.
I swear these arguments get worse every day. You could just as easily say that the only reason the West has so much stuff is because China made it for them for cheap.
Wait, that’s actually a much more coherent argument lol.
The world bank? My person they are quoting the Chinese propaganda. The west had lots of stuff after ww2, they got more cheaper stuff when they offshored it to China that’s the coherent argument
I see. So The World Bank is also in on the communist plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.
“You only made a bunch of money because you produced stuff people wanted to buy” is not the own you think it is.
What?
Who said anything about “own”? It’s just what happened. Forget the issues that this type of capitalism brought though.
Go watch Dr. Strangelove.
Should they just let people kill themselves?
Is illegal
The UN did not find genocide only human rights abuses at best. You can go to China, you can go to a mosque and talk to Uyghurs there.
Meanwhile the west is funding a real genocide in Gaza. You can’t go there to film the atrocities being committed and brave people still try. Israel has killed more journalists in their genocide than ww2
Or maybe if it’s so prosperous people wouldn’t want to work in a place where they want to kill themselves.
That has never stopped authoritarian governments lol
Ok sorry ethnic cleansing isn’t genocide, sorry…
And you think I’m supporting the west’s genocide in palestine? Nah miss me with that shit
Yeah dawg I saw the source of that and I was banned in an .ml instance for saying “hows life in north Korea?” “Can’t complain” lol
America has a higher suicide rate lol
I don’t understand what you’re saying. The 996 thing does exist but it was made illegal. Sometimes private companies try to make workers do more hours illegally.
They didn’t find ethnic cleansing either. Again, you can go to Xinjiang and visit mosques with Uyghurs praying in them. So yeah ethnic cleaning ain’t happening.
You brought up the genocide to someone speaking positively of China. But the only ones doing genocide are the west. China does a bunch of bad shit it isn’t perfect but if genocide is the criteria we’re running with then China is the lesser evil.
K? Do they have suicide nets at factories?
Who’s “they” ?
Nah china’s treatment of a Uyghurs is cultural genocide, China does do a lot of bad shit, and isn’t perfect, the western governments are also fucking horrible.
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, you should stop talking
Right back at you
Lol try harder patriot
Are you suggesting America doesn’t do enough to prevent suicides? I agree.
The UN
Oh so now it’s a cultural genocide. Ok. So how do you explain that anyone is free to go to Xinjiang and see Uyghurs in Mosques speaking their own language if they’re being culturally genocided?
I agree. Two things can be true.
Oh sorry it’s just human rights violations, just like it wasn’t genocide in Palestine until the tide eventually turned on Israel fucking joke
Everyone is free except for the over one million Uyghurs who had went to camps, beaten, raped and starved. And the over 500k of them that are still in prison just for being Uyghurs, super fucking free. Genocide is more than one thing. Jfc
Yeah human rights abuses. After all that whining about genocide. China doesn’t treat minority prisoners well. Funny same could be said of a lot of countries.
No genocide was found and the camps were shut down in 2017 yet whenever someone mentions something remotely positive of China there’s always that one idiotic comment. “But uyghur genocide”. Because this whole thing is nothing but anti-chinese propaganda and it’s been very effective.
Does that objective measure also happen yo include freedom of press? Because boy i have some news for you…
Revisionist facts? Whose alt is this?
No, freedom of press is not a measure of prosperity. And I don’t know many western countries that are in a position to point fingers at this point, considering how many journalists they’ve helped kill when they covered a genocide.
I don’t see how China is in a position to point fingers considering the treatment of the uyghurs
They deradicalized a sect that had been trained to destabilize the region by western intelligence, and reintegrated them into society. The facilities don’t even exist anymore, because they were successful.
What would your country do in that situation?
My country did exactly that to the native population, and you know what we call the residential schools now? A fucking ethnic genocide.
We’re not talking about cultural erasure nor mass deaths. Just reeducating them from what the CIA and state dept did to them.
Freudian slip
Autocorrect. Have any proof they killed anyone? Because the state dept was forced to admit they didn’t.
https://law.stanford.edu/press/state-department-lawyers-concluded-insufficient-evidence-to-prove-genocide-in-china/
Just more eastern propaganda.
Is the state dept assisting China with their propaganda?
https://law.stanford.edu/press/state-department-lawyers-concluded-insufficient-evidence-to-prove-genocide-in-china/
Lol. Lmao even.
Compare for instance homelessness in china and the west. Homeownership. Access to healthcare, higher education, public transportation etc. Why do you think it’s not a beacon of prosperity?
China doesn’t have better healthcare than the US, their system is essentailly Obamacare. I’ve asked my aunts in China about it.
Homeownership? I mean that’s just white westerners mismanaging their money. Literally I heard of white dudes be spending their entire paycheck in bars and gambling, while still having unpaid bills. Look at the percentage of Asian Americans owning homes compared to non-Asians Americans, maybe its not a “China vs West” thing, but just Asian people are more responsible with money, I mean, we literally live in the same country as y’all, and as a matter of fact, we even face more discrimination and prejudice, yet somehow, Asian people have higher home ownership. No offense, and not to victim blame, but what are y’all doing? I mean… My family didn’t come from a rich background either, we grew up in poverty.
High education? I mean, depends. I had a Hukou in Taishan (rural) and was denied access to Guangzhou’s (urban) public schools. A permanent 2nd class resident basically. Even the US (prior to 2025, at least) had allowed undocumented immigrants to go to public school, yet China denied their own citizens education if they dare to move to another location even within the country. If we hadn’t moved abroad, we have to eventually go to highschool in Taishan, which has a much lower quality of education than Urban areas.
Public transportation… well you got that part right, I’ll ackowledge that. I remember Guangzhou’s metro being way more modern and cleaner than the US, and I loved the platform safety door protecting people from falling. But that doesn’t exactly matter that much when the job market is fucked. And Hukou system is fucking stupid.
The only way for China to be a “beacon of prosperity” for you is if you have some skills like being a scientist or something like that, or just born into wealth. Otherwise, its not a great place for average people.
“I asked my aunts” lol pinnacle of scholarship here
They literally invented a diabetes cure, and the US is banning it to maintain insulin profits. They win healthcare.
I don’t see how corporations being allowed to buy up 1/3rd or US housing inventory is any indicator of how people manage their money.
What would you consider a beacon of prosperity then?
Norway, Finland, etc… Very good countries to be born into.
(But unfortunately, they don’t seem to take in a lot of immigrants. 😕)
Beacon of prosperity is when you exploit the underdeveloped global south and don’t allow migrants from exploited places to get into your society.
Finland currently has a far right government BTW.
Please, don’t be ridiculous. Look at the expenditure per capita on healthcare in China vs in the USA.
The rest of your comment is pure copium, blaming working class citizens for the problems of capitalism.
If its a beacon of prosperity, why are there so many people leaving? Why is there a consensus amongst the most of the Chinese Diaspora that the west is better?
(Rhetorical question, don’t bother answering)