• DessertStorms@kbin.social
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    Fuck poachers, don’t get me wrong, but fucking hell, I wish people had the same kind of energy when it came to billionaires, who are literally responsible for the deaths of millions of humans (by virtue of hoarding so many resources as well as creating and maintaining a system that relies on exploitation and suffering to benefit them and only them).

    If only society cared about oppressed and marginalised people as much as it does about cute animals.

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      Ooh, gatekeeping for the omnivores and carnivores.

      Guess I’m glad that checks notes cats, dogs, owls, cheetahs, and most of the Animal Kingdom don’t have thoughts that are valid?

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        Idk, do they? I don’t think vegans care about animals’ opinions (that they don’t have bc they’re animals)

        This is about reducing unnecessary suffering. The animals you mentioned hunt out of necessity. We have alternatives that don’t require hurting other beings.

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          I hear you.

          Counterpoint: animals may very well have thoughts on this, but we will likely never know because there is not a common ground for exchanging thoughts between [an overwhelming majority] of species.

          I can’t quantify the number of times I’ve seen animals hunt others out of what amounts to an observed potential of either instinct or boredom: it may seem contrite, but domesticated cats hunting mice. They will play with mice, toy with them when the mice are clearly half-dead, and stop playing with them out of boredom when the mice can no longer move. Almost for sport. This is an observed behaviour that may be a byproduct of their domestication, but it gives credence to the fact that its not all for survival.

          I’m not justifying the hunting of animals for profit; I am in the camp of thought that its a horrible practice. The same goes for hunting endangered animals. However, to hunt animals for food is not an unjust practice. That’s how we homo sapiens get a good amount of protein (though I do concede that there are also plenty of other ways to do so). It is historically encoded into human existence.

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            AFAIK cats cats play with their prey not for fun but in order to tire it out.

            I think that cruelty and sadism are human inventions and we inflict them on animals on an industrial scale. I believe this comes from hierarchy and domination present in our society, not from instinct.

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              Don’t read up on dolphins or seals then. Cruelty and sadism exist in other animals. Humans are just better at it.

              I mean lions don’t have an instinct to control and dominate a herd… Wait.

              And cats very often don’t eat their prey, they like humans lol for the “fun”…

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    Oh no, thin weapon dilivery* accidentally shipped to india instead of sending it to us school kids
    * i know it is wrong but i dont know how to fix it

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      • i know it is wrong but i dont know how to fix it

      Get off Lemmy and go back to your elementary school English class?

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    I know a well-connected resort liaison in South Africa. This is what happens on game reserves with predators/scavengers, nature has a way of cleaning up the evidence.

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      While I like the idea of every poacher being neutralised, I also understand that the “poach police” may intentionally/inadvertently kill innocents with their blanket immunity; plus many poachers may be poor af hired-guns that aren’t the actual source or root cause for the market, and may not dent the trade at all… Hope I’m wrong.

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        I also understand that the “poach police” may intentionally/inadvertently kill innocents with their blanket immunity;

        Is there any evidence that that has been happening? (This article is from 2017, and it mentions “more than 20” poachers being killed in 2015, but doesn’t mention any non-poachers being killed, which it seems it would have, given it’s talking about the downsides.)

        While I agree that taking the fight to the people financing the poaching, reducing the number of poachers - and providing a very clear disincentive for other “poor af” hired-guns to take up the mantle - could still help.

        Personally, I don’t think any implied sanctity of human life extends to people who are killing endangered animals for profit.

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    Eco-fascists unite, huh?

    How long do any of you idiots upvoting this think it’ll be until these (so-called) “rangers” start selling rhino horn themselves? That is… if they haven’t already and this is really just them clearing out the competition?

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    no, fuck murder.

    Don’t get me wrong, fuck poachers, but murder is never the solution, it just breeds escalated violence.

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      Endangered-animal lives are much more precious to me than humans-who-are-willing-to-murder-endangered-animals lives, so I disagree.

    • pm_boobs_send_nudes@lemmy.world
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      Actually they tried the normal way, where they didn’t shoot and asked the poachers to surrender / tried to arrest them. But the rangers would get shot and the animals would continue to get poached.

      Seeing this as a problem, a new executive order / law was passed allowing shoot at sight orders at national parks / protected zones.

      Poaching has reduced, the number of rangers getting shot has reduced. The number of poachers getting shot has reduced (they don’t wanna fuck around anymore).

      Overall it has increased peace.