Socialism for me rugged individualist capitalism for thee!
They want privatized gains and socialized losses.
I’ve been with conservatives all my life it’s easy to understand their faulty logic, their logic is: poor people are poor because they are lazy so they don’t deserve help. Part of the money = intelligence / success stupid mentality
Bailouts aren’t socialism, nor are subsidies or healthcare for that matter.
Talking as someone who lived in an actual socialism as a kid, most “socialism” in US political discourse is just the bare minimum of social measures that most Western democracies are already doing matter-of-factly (not only out of the goods of their hearts but also because it is generally known to pay itself off in the long run).
Curious, where was that actual socialism? As far as I’m aware of, any country that had (attempted) socialist policies got bombed, their leaders were assassinated, and/or got their economies crippled via crippling sanctions.
So you’re saying inner purges aren’t enough for “actual socialism,” one needs external hegemony as well? All japes aside, I wish that universal healthcare haters could have that sweet sweet social democratic healthcare given to them for a couple of years, then taken away, and see where they stand on the matter.
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X/Twitter post by user Justin Kanew @Kanew reading:
'They didn’t call the trillion-dollar Wall St. bailouts “socialism”
They don’t call nearly $1 Trillion in oil & gas subsidies “socialism”
They don’t call the billions in farmer bailouts “socialism”
But health care, wages, food for poor people? “SOCIALISM.”’
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Liberals need to get it through their heads that socialism for the rich is just capitalism. That’s how it has always been. That’s what capitalism actually is, the free market is propaganda that they feed to liberals to keep you from realizing capitalism is inherently bad.
It blows my mind that theres an anti work sub on lemmyworld. Are they just larping as socislists?
antiwork no longer means the abolition of the oppressive relationship with the capital owning class in which we sell our labor as a commodity.
it’s been completely co-opted as a place for milquetoast reform (capitalism will work if we put the right people in charge and call it socialism), and low-effort outrage-porn.
its why people say “fascism is capitalism in decline”, germany and italy saw massive government involvement in businesses: not to control or regulate them, but to bail them out.
i just started listening to blackshirts and reds so i wanted to butt in lol
And 98% of America votes for it, because all team blue cares about is the mean stuff someone somewhere said the other day, and all team red cares about is guns and abortion.
So we’re screwed.
Ah yea, “both sides”. Like one isn’t constantly doing it’s level best (worst) to fuck over, marginalize, take away rights, discourage or straight-up pass laws to limit voting access… But yeah - “both sides”.
Now if you want to expand that a bit to say that the founders didn’t want a bicameral system, I’d agree.
Democrats voted for the bailouts. So literally “both sides”
50% of america doesn’t vote at all. we are a huge contributor to our own mess
They can’t afford to miss a day of work, and for most that’s through no fault if their own.
BUT DEY MAEK ER JERBS!!
In 08 they should have let the banks fail. People claim it would devastate the economy. Bs. A rich person would have picked up the scraps for cheap and kept things going. They didn’t need our tax money and no punishment.
Oil subsidies are why we have cheap gas. I’m fine getting rid to them. Just realize your gas will cost more.
the banks should have been seized and the owners should have lost it all and the government should have ran them for 5 years to stabilize the economy before selling them back off with conditions on their new owners and stronger regulations in general
Banks, yeah I agree with that. Oil is more complicated. When oil prices go up, the price of everything goes up, sometimes dramatically.
I’m not saying oil subsidies are a good thing, just that a lot more care needs to be taken with eliminating them.
Which is why oil should be nationalized. Same with the banks. If the people have to share in the cost of failure they should get the profit for successes.
I understand that nationalizing oil companies in the US is not going to be a palatable solution for a lot of people. I’m not entirely sure it’s the right solution, but I know for sure it’s not a politically feasible one.
We’ve had decades upon decades of subsidizing the rich. It’s always easy for the government to figure out how to do that, so we know they know how to give subsidies. Why don’t we try subsidizing the people who need the subsidies for their basic needs? In the context of fuel, it would be relatively simple to create a federal tax credit for fuel usage (which would arguably include a version for electric vehicles and their charging).
I understand that nationalizing oil companies in the US is not going to be a palatable solution for a lot of people.
I don’t think I fucking care.
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Farm subsidies are a tricky one though.
Without them you end up importing all your food from Cheapistan. But then Cheapistan has a famine (or gets invaded), and then you have a problem. You can’t just start up food production that quickly to avoid all your people starving.
Actually a ton of people did call all of those things socialism.
Yeah, sure, some people who know fuck all about anything, and who’s only ability seems to be making ludicrous statements online, might have made that idiotic connection. But, saying a “ton of people” is stretching it a bit.
Well some notable examples are people like Milton Friedman
Posts like these demonstrates how little people understand socialism.
Nothing you listed so far is “socialism”.
you’re missing the entire point
The point is lost because OP is spewing hot garbage
No, it’s shit. Period.
Replace “socialism” with “handout(s),” and it works. “It’s never called a handout when giving billions to banks. But it’s handouts when ever poor people receive money.” Or “Bailout == Good; Handout == Evil”.
But calling it “socialism” makes zero sense. Making matters worse, it continues the myth that socialism is about government handouts, instead of workplace democratisation, and worker control over the means of production.
That last paragraph (though it’s missing say, free school lunches for kids as an example) is what the far right screams about daily as these wild socialist adgendas that will cripple the US.
Far right screams about a lot of stupid shit. They lost their credibility a long time ago. I don’t listen.
Well, they are right somehow: socialism is when you also give money to the poor, and they want none of this shit! All the money must go the rich because they “deserve” it.
Aren’t “bailouts” usually just loans? 2008 housing crisis springs to front of mind.
“You will be receiving health care by FORCE…”
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