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    There’s no Americans bragging about that. Corporations and the government, sure. The rest of us are to busy living in pain

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      Most Americans have no clue what the rest of the world is like.

      Most Americans don’t even understand the progressive income tax system we have, they will go so far as to decline raises because it’ll put them in a higher bracket and they think that will mean less take home pay. It doesn’t! You should always take a raise!

      I believe I’ll someday move to a country that has good policies for everything from healthcare, to work life balance, and social safety nets, and I’ll never have to deal with the American nightmare again.

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        There’s actually a tricky spot for folks who get certain social services which are tied to income. A small raise can bump you out of eligibility for things like medicaid and food stamps, and thus can in fact result in higher expenses, less money in your pocket, and a lower quality of life.

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          Yep! The welfare cliff I believe it’s called. Evidence of a poorly designed welfare system, which I think some see as a feature not a bug sadly.

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        To be fair, the rest of the world isn’t easily accessible for most Americans

        Education is broken because on purpose

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          It’s literally one Google search away. And if they want to travel, you’ll be able to speak English to basically everyone (under 40)

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      Some years ago I were in US on vacation and a Cadillac commercial said you shouldn’t buy cars made by lazy people wo have 4 weeks vacation every year, instead you should buy an American car.

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    God please let me move to Europe I don’t even care what language I have to learn I just wanna be able to live without worrying about affording a doctor appointment.

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      If you work in academia, you don’t need to learn a new language. English is the working language. Also the 5 weeks of holiday is nice, but what really helps is the working day.

      I started as a bioinformatician a month ago. I come in to the office at 0830 have coffee from 09:00 til 09:45 with my boss and colleagues, work a bit, have lunch from 12:00 untill 13:15, work a bit, go home at 15:30. That’s my day.

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        Maybe you don’t need the language for work. But you will need te learn the language eventually for other day to day interactions.

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            Don’t know about other countries, but in Norway you always have the option of getting websites and government information in English. Everyone speaks it including cashier’s, cleaners etc.

            The same thing is not true in Germany and Spain.

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              I would most certainly disagree that every person speaks English. Especially older people don’t, but in general many people here do not speak a good english

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              but in Norway [:] English. Everyone speaks it

              Scandinavia is absolutely killing it for bilingualism, among so many other ways they’re killin’ it – no, really, other countries should just study them for clues in general. My experiences (just Sweden, Denmark and bonus Iceland, so far) is that they say Hej and listen for your “hello”, flipping over into beautiful and perfect English without hesitation. Their language programmes are just fucking astounding, really.

              Spain’s fine in the touristy spots, but Spanish itself is VERY accessible as a language, so it’s kinda moot like France.

              In Germany I will have to rely heavily on the kindness of strangers as I will never grok the language.

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              Dutchie here, we do the same. Everybody speaks (some form of) English, almost everything is also available in English.

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                This is true but also keep in mind that Dutch is still leading in most cases. E.g. if you have a contract that’s both in English and Dutch, if issues arise the Dutch translation will usually be the one that is followed

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                  Dutch is still leading in most cases.

                  Sint Maarten should check-in and tell us about the English-Dutch separation and the class system it all but foments. It’s 90% fascinating if 10% disappointing.

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        Seven hour day with an hour and fifteen minute lunch. What kind of magic is this? What’s the catch?

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      just wanna be able to live without worrying about affording a doctor appointment.

      If you avoid the flatlander areas, Canada may be for you. We also speak English; just, without the accent. :-P

      (unless you live on the island that’s an hour’s ferry from France)

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          Idk I’m from the central US and I had a German foreign exchange student tell me we didn’t have a mimicable accent. I know it’s not true but it was interesting to hear that from someone who’s familiar with everyone around her speaking in a completely different way, even when using English.

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    I love how in every topic about WFH there’s some dudebro going on about the economy suffering due to supposed lessened productivity and I’m like… Why should I care?

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      I love the abstract “productivity”.

      Like yo, cancer is incredibly productive.

      Demolishing subsistence farms and replacing them with cash crop slave plantations is mad profitable.

      I could make thousands of dollars in a day if I just sold everything I own.

      Our metrics of economic growth revolve around basically doing all of the above, to varying degrees of figurative vs. literal-ness.

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        That’s not how productivity works. It’s basically looking at how much a person can produce with a given amount of labor.

        Take that small scale subsistence farmer. Individually, they will live a precarious life. Their country will not have the surplus food needed for other pursuits like building cities, engaging in R&D, developing science, and so on. A smaller and smaller number of people need to be able to feed more and more using less land per person.

        Manually copied manuscripts are another example. They were painstakingly copied over by hand in an incredibly low productivity manner. The introduction of the printing press essentially eliminated an art form, but gave rise to practical mass media.

        In the present day, computers have been the main form of productivity booster. While arguably social media is a drag on productivity, overall computers open up a broad range of possibilities.

        Like yo, cancer is incredibly productive.

        Cancer is incredibly costly to society. Think about it, a single person getting cancer could mean many hours of them being in the hospital. Net zero on productivity

        Demolishing subsistence farms and replacing them with cash crop slave plantations is mad profitable.

        As I detailed above, transitioning from unproductive farms to highly productive farms is necessary. Don’t believe me, ask Mao.

        I could make thousands of dollars in a day if I just sold everything I own.

        That would not be a productive activity since there would be no value added. Arguably there would be less value, since that stuff is likely worth more to you than it is to another person.

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        This reminded me of an old joke:

        Two economists are walking down the street with their friend when they come across a fresh, streaming pile of dog shit. The first economist jokingly tells the other “I’ll give you a million dollars if you eat that pile of dog shit”. To his surprise, the second economist grabs it off the ground and eats it without hesitation. A deal is a deal so the first economist hands over a million dollars.

        A few minutes later they come across a second pile of shit. The second economist, wanting to give his peer a taste of his own medicine, says he’ll give the first economist a million dollars if he eats it. The first economist agrees and does so, winning him a million dollars.

        Their friend, rather confused, asks what the point of all this was, the first economist gave the second economist a million dollars, and then the second economist gave it right back. All they’ve accomplished is to eat two piles of shit.

        The two economists look rather taken aback. “Well sure,” they say, “but we’ve grown the economy by two million dollars!”

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          The story is interesting but not very lifelike. The first economist would be much richer than the first, if they were OK with spending that much money on humiliating someone else. The likelihood that the second economist would accept the same deal is impossible in my mind. That amount of money is just humiliation money to them, not really worth it.

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      People have been told their entire lives that the GDP of their nation matters without ever considering what it actually represents, or how it actually went up.

      Great, number go up, but why and who actually benefitted.

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    lower unemployment

    Doesn’t matter, I can only have two, maybe three jobs at once so any more than that is irrelevant to me

    higher growth

    I get the same $8/hr whether the GDP goes up, stays the same or goes down. You can’t leave workers out of the distribution of wealth and then pretend that more wealth is good for workers

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    As an american, who gives a shit about all that stuff when your family savings can be wiped out, home foreclosed upon, and bankrupted just because you get sick or suffer an injury!? Even if you plan and do everything right, it could still happen to you, through no fault of your own.

    So, IMO until we have universal healthcare like every other modern nation, they all beat us…

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    I recall going to the UK after brexit, to a house party with family friends. I was hounded with how do you function with only a 2 week holiday. I then shared i had 4 weeks after 5 years. They were so confused that we could function with less than 6 weeks of vacation.

    Burn out in the USA is a real thing. Our politicians will never vote for a mandatory vacation for anyone other than them selves

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        If you complain about it some Americans will just call you lazy. lol. Same thing with the cost of healthcare. They’ll just tell you to get a better job or better healthcare. They never speak about the root cause of the problem.

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      Canadian here, no, not at all. I had a family doctor but they retired, the new doctor was already full up so I am left without a family doctor. If I need medication it has to be paid for out of pocket, any dentistry that is not life altering (cleaning, fillings, braces/retainers/corrections) has to be paid for out of pocket. Therapy? Out of pocket. Glasses, hearing aids, you guessed it.

      Sure you could have a job with health coverage but that is up to the discretion of your employer, they can drop your coverage and all you can do is nothing. Canadian health care is an absolute embarrassment and should never be celebrated as some achievement over the only country with a worse system than ours.

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        Might depend on province. I’m in BC, never had issue with Doctor. Bi Yearly vision checks, if you don’t have employer plan you signup for pharmacare and based on income once you hit a threshold all meds are free. Or free from the start with a disability status application. And I do celebrate our system even though it is not perfect, I had Cancer. Biopsy, CAT, PETS, FMRI, surgery, chemo and radiation, hospital stay all free. cost me $70 parking pass at cancer center. If that was in the USA id be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars owing

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    It took me way too long to realize chasing a high pay, high stress career wasn’t worth it. I envied my friends and family for being able to enjoy weekends, evenings, and holidays when I couldn’t. I missed my best friends bachelor party, I missed Christmas and New Years parties. If i didnt miss them entirely i would show up late or leave early from every occasion. I realized I was going to reach the end of life never having lived it.

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    I usually just take a week over summer then the other 6 weeks at other times of the year. Hotels, fights and stuff pretty much double their prices over the summer.

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    Don’t want to brag, but I took my compulsory 2-week vacation in July. I’m having another week of vacation in the middle of August and I’m taking a whole month off in the middle of October when my second child is born (dad-vacation, in addition to the 18 months that the mom has as paid maternity leave). Oh and all of this is fully paid.

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          Don’t forget reliable and comfortable public transport and properly maintained roads and public infrastructure.

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          I try explaining this to fellow Americans that you end up paying much less in the end and never have the stress of how you’re going to afford this stuff (or possibly even lose everything to a sudden health problem) but it falls on deaf ears if they’ve already been brainwashed. They refuse to hear that other countries have things figured out to make the lives of their citizens much more enjoyable.

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        I’d rather my country raise my tax to 50% than live in a country like America.

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          Ironically, the average total taxation (after you add local, regional, national, etc. taxes) is either lower or at a similar approx. 35% of income.

          Americans just get stiffed by where that money goes afterwards.

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        We are supporting each other in hard times and fun times. Whats the problem? Should we rather shoot, hate and make fun of each other instead?

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    Do an even better comparison: school vacaancies with work vacancies. That’s real life. GPT/BARD might help speed it up