Actually had a colleague who determined distances on microscopy images that way. She would measure the scale bar included in the image with her ruler on the screen, measure the distance she was interested in and calculate the distance using the rule of three. I mean, why bother using the measuring tool included in the software.
I’ve heard of people printing out charts, then cutting out the part they wanted to calculate an integral of, then weighing the paper.
I’ve heard of it too. You would need an analytical balance to get accurate measurements weighing a piece of paper. Just cut out the part you want to take an integral of, then cut out a piece of paper with known size (or cut several pieces with different sizes to get more accurate results) and weigh each of them. I guess this used to be cheaper and faster than using computers when computers were big and expensive.
People here are taking this way too seriously lol. I love Python, and I never really had any issues with the indentation being used instead of curly braces or something. This is just a silly meme, not a personal attack
Precisely. It’s like programmers lost their humor.
I have not known happiness for 12 years now.
Then you never had to share a codebase with someone who had different ideas about how things should be indented.
Hmmm nope. That sounds like hell indeed
Right? Especially since there are plugins for VS Code that colorize the indents.
VSCode? Is that an Emacs extension? Or is it for vi?
It’s a bash script made to be run on MS-DOS on a breadboard computer.
bash
MS-DOS
r u a wizard
I shall henceforth take the title of wizard.
Let me introduce you to YAML, you’ll love it!
Ugh, there’s some parts of YAML I love, but ultimately it’s a terrible format. It’s just too easy to confuse people. At least it has comments though. It’s so dumb that JSON doesn’t officially have comments. I’ve often parsed “JSON” as YAML entirely for comments, without using a single other YAML feature.
YAML also supports not quoting your strings. Seems great at first, but it gets weird of you want a string that looks like a different type. IIRC, there’s even a major version difference in the handling of this case! I can’t remember the details, but I once had a bug happen because of this.
Performance wise, both YAML and JSON suck. They’re fine for a config file that you just read on startup, but if you’re doing a ton of processing, it will quickly show the performance hit. Binary formats work far better (for a generic one, protobuffers has good tooling and library support while being blazing fast).
json 5 does support comments. alternatively, yaml is a superset of json. any valid json is also valid yaml. but yaml also supports comments. So you can also write json with comments, and use a yaml parser on it, instead of a standard json parser
It’s so dumb that JSON doesn’t officially have comments.
So much this.
Used to work at a company where I sometimes had to manually edit the configuration of devices which were written and read in JSON. Super inconvenient if you have to document all changes externally. As a “hack” I would sometimes add extra objects to store strings (the comments). But that’s super dicey as you don’t know if it somehow breaks the parsing. You’re also not guaranteed the order of objects so if the configuration gets read, edited and rewritten your comment might no longer be above/below the change you made.
Always found it baffling that such a basic feature is missing from a spec that is supposed to cover a broad range of use cases.
One of these days I’ll actually look up how YAML indentation works. Every time I use it it’s trial and error until I stop getting errors.
Better than counting curly braces.
I’ll take the curly braces
Me too, any day. I hate everything where indentation matters. Let me just throw my garbage there and YOU sort it out, you are the fucking computer, not me. You do the work.
So fuck you, YAML! All my homies love JSON!
All your homies hate comments.
My code also documents itself, of course.
Yup.
Spaces? Tabs? Don’t care, works regardless.
Copied some code from somewhere else? No problem, 9/10 times it just works. Bonus: a smart IDE will let you quick-format the entire code to whatever style you configured at the click of a button even if it was a complete mess to begin with, as long as all the curly braces are correct.Also, in any decent IDE you will very rarely need to actually count curly braces, it finds the pair for you, and even lets you easily navigate between them.
The inconsistent way that whitespace is handled across applications makes interacting with code outside your own code files incredibly finicky when your language cares so much about the layout.
There’s an argument to be made for the simplicity of python-style indentation and for its aesthetic merits, but IMO that’s outweighed by the practical inconvenience it brings.
Even vim can show you that
^(fucking nano user)There’s a joke here about using
echo "some python code" > main.py
in here somewhere but I can’t find it. Imagine I did instead.“the punchline is clearly trivial, the set-up is left as an exercise for the reader”
Import python.Joke.ShellProgramming()
Obligatory mirco is better.
Is mirco a little man sitting on your SSD flipping bits manually as you dictate him?
No that’s macro. Micro is when small gnomes sit inside your HDD and moving the read/write head around manually.
You don’t usually count them. They just have to form a neat diagonal.
Have you tried using an auto formatter? Let’s you write code however and fixes the structure automatically on save. It’s way easier for me to write curly braces then hit ctrl+s than have to select multiple lines manually and tab in and out. I feel the biggest gains I’ve made in productivity came after I learned to embrace tooling.
if you have to count the curly braces I understand why you are a python developer
Programming languages that use white space to delimit structure are annoying at best. I get annoyed at yaml too, but I’m ok once I have a few templates set up.
YAML comes with its own unique pains in the ass https://ruudvanasseldonk.com/2023/01/11/the-yaml-document-from-hell
These things actually matter, come up often enough to actually be annoying, and are a bit difficult to explain and learn into people. You’re basically fine if you just string quote everything that you can, but nobody does that.
Use TABS guys TABS.
Tabs suck. Use a real editor and spaces work fine.
Why tabs suck? Explain.
Tabs are neat.
Does you app have too many nested functions?
Use tab width = 2
Do your app have too less nested functions?
Use tab width = 8
Is your app having average number of nested fns?
Use tab width = 4(mostly default)
And all theese can happen without modifying a single byte in the source file, unlike spaces!
Except that you have to either indent with only tabs or indent with only spaces. Any time you mix tabs and spaces you are just asking for disaster.
If you indent with only tabs you can’t align things except on tab boundaries. If you have a function that takes 10 parameters and want to do it on multiple lines, the alignment of the extra parameters is going to be ugly.
If you indent with only spaces, you can indent things so that all the parameters line up directly underneath the parenthesis, for example.
Yeah who tf isn’t using tabs as spaces, it isn’t 2010
He could wrap a rubber band around the screen
Just draw whitespace…
Python syntax is the absolute worst
Why do you believe that?
Not the previous commenter, but using indentation as syntax rather than an aid to understanding tge program structure is just painful when you come from any more conventionally structured language. The meme above may be an exaggeration, but it’s not much of one. An IDE can probably help, but needing one just to be able to more easily read the code is excessive.
That said, it’s a popular language and there are plenty of useful libraries, so sometimes the trade off is worth it.
I’ve programmed Python mostly without IDE without any problem. It’s no more difficult to understand the structure of the program than a bracketed language.
I started with Perl. This taught me a certain mindset that works well with Bash and Ruby. I’ve tried to learn Python several times and I just fucking hate it. I gave up when I realized that it just doesn’t work the way that my brain works.
I wonder if the outcome would have been different if I’d started with Python? How might that have shaped my thinking / reasoning? Fwiw, I was also ok with PHP and SQL, but I don’t know much or anything about the backgrounds on those foundations. Maybe my above statements were completely bullshit.
I used to love Perl as it worked the way my brain worked.
Then I started taking medication for ADHD.
I haven’t used Perl since except for text parsing, it’s an absolute hot mess of a language (though very powerful and functional at the things it does well)
And God forbid you use tabs in a document with spaces instead of tabs (or vice versa)
:retab
is your friend!