How are we supposed to get industry experience otherwise?
Businesses aren’t hiring without a degree unless you have four years of industry experience to replace the degree.
Plus, we get an internship during college to get some of both.
Still don’t get hired after graduating.
It’s fucked!
You are supposed to either already have connections, or be forced to adapt your skills to create connections.
Ya know, hey just want to make sure you’re one of them first and not one of the others
Where and when you’re searching plays into it.
If you’re looking for postings, you’ll have an easier time finding a job, but a harder time getting it, because there’s so much competition.
If you’re searching right after graduation, so’s the rest of your class, and you have to compete with them.
If you’re hitting up relevant companies in hopes that they can hire you, you’ll have a harder time finding a place with an opening, but once you do, the competition is near zero. You need only prove you’re a good fit.
That was how it was marketed. Explain to me how there’s not a class action lawsuit there. I remember a woman in a pantsuit with a university lanyard around her neck coming into a high school class to give a presentation about how many millions more dollars a college graduate makes. There are people in this world whose death I would celebrate with a prolonged dance involving a significant amount of hip thrusting. Hers is one of them, if I knew who she was.
Did she ever say YOU were gonna get that extra money though?
Her thesis statement was certainly “If you go to college, you will earn more money.”
She is probably an English major. You was a metaphor.
My first employer out of college told me explicitly they hired me because I was willing to stick with a 4 year program, and though I didn’t have experience they were confident I’d stick around enough to be trained. I got an art degree and it was a computer science job 🤔
You can be trained to code and probably came cheap. Companies willing to invest in people are very rare in this day and age.
This is a weirdly reductionist take. Implying that anyone can be “trained to code” seems to imply that coding is a rote skill that can be easily trained into anyone, completely dismissing the fact that some brains will just inherently do better at it than others. Also the generalization you make about companies that are willing to to train their potential hires is not true everywhere.
As someone who isn’t a coder, I was able to pick up enough Visual Basic back in the day to figure out how to make some basic apps for myself. It only involved learning a few concepts and commands. That should be enough for anyone with a college degree to do. Simple coding at a low level, learning enough to maintain a website that’s already been designed for example, as long as nothing catastrophic happens, can definitely be done by anyone.
The problem now is that it can also be done by AI.
AIs are worse at coding than they are at art, and that’s saying something
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I’m curious to know what your degree is in. I’m not disagreeing with you, but I think many young people are mislead into believing that just getting a degree will be a ticket to financial freedom, but what type of degree a person gets does matter
Might depend on the degree. I got CS degree and have been getting interviews far more easily than before the degree.
Plenty of people have CS degrees but are not having the same result as you. There’s likely other factors at play, it’s not just the degree
That may be true I do live in a techie area in Colorado however I applied for similar jobs in the past without a degree with no contact back. Literally the only difference is the degree.
My school did help me create a resume that seems to function better with the systems in place by employers to where hot words pop out better.
“Degree required. Must have 10 years experience.” – Every job available
Holy shit peach is fine as hell in this movie.
? Poor lady has no shoulders and a head the size of a watermelon
(I wasn’t who downvoted you, btw, I’m not offended by your comment at all- I just don’t see the appeal)
I’m so used to peach being ugly as sin in the games.
This is a nice change of pace.
They clearly know what makes a woman beautiful, lol.
Horny jail
Yeah, I gotta go rub one out.
Done.
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Dude. She’s a cartoon with a giant head.
I joined the military after I had run out of money for college, and out of sheer luck ended up in a job vastly preferable to what I had been going to college for (military aviation search and Rescue vs. Band teacher). Now I’m getting on in years with lots of work experience and no degree, and people in my work are constantly getting poached by avionics and aviation companies (one guy was about 8 years from retirement, where he’d get a paycheck for the rest of his life at 40 years old, did the math, and found he’d make more over his life with the company poaching him).
I’m not saying the military is a good choice for everyone, but in the “get paid while getting experience” thing, it can work out pretty well depending on the field. And if you get into cybersecurity, you’ll end up with at least Secret clearance, which is a hot commodity if you can secure a job straight out of getting out of the military.
Just don’t be, like… infantry or admin. Have a plan going in for getting out.
Yeah these aviation companies are just crazy for band teachers right now.
When I was an undergrad my professors put a big emphasis on developing a portfolio of work and picking up experience where we could before graduation. For me that meant freelancing a few times a month while working a part time job along with class. Internships are great, but everyone had to have one to graduate from my program. A degree will set you up, but a portfolio of work and related experience will help set you apart.
The degree will get you the interview. Experience will get you the job.
Unfortunately it’s hard to get in the door without one.
Co-ops, work study, volunteer work, even self employment cannot be understated. They’re not necessarily looking at if you have done the job, but how you’ve handled situations. De-escalation, customer service, team work, taking initiative, and reasoning are all good things to mention during an interview.
Read the job description, research the company, be prepared to ask questions to show engagement, and be prepared to show how your life experience has prepared you for the work.
And be sure to say thank you and send a follow up email or two!
It’s been 7 months for me and in all that time I got one job offer that they ultimately gave to someone else. The pain is real…
It certainly helps.
This is something I’m worried about. I actually have a decent-paying blue-collar job, but I want to be an engineer and expand myself. A lot of entry engineering positions pay less than what I currently make. I’d be happy breaking even, but pay cuts are a hard decision to make.
If you can keep the roof over your head, the goal is to look at longer term earning.
This is a painful trap that keeps a lot of lower income and skill folks down, life forces them to take the short term earning to stay fed, thereby missing out on longer term opportunities
Oldie(ish) but still relevant: https://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/humans-need-not-apply
Yes :‘( I thought degree and projects is all you need. I laughed at those lazy group members, but the joke is on me as some of them now have a job in CS and I don’t (they had an IT job or relative in the industry) Here I’m going on 2 years and I’m still waiting for employers to line up. Or even just one one unsolicited which isn’t spam. :’(
