Context: Voyager shows these options which results in a large amount of reports just being “Breaks community rules” with no info or reason whatsoever.

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  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.social
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    I would assume the mod seeing the report would, you know, read the reported post/comment and be able to tell what rule it breaks.

    If there are no posted rules then the reporting user is just mad at the person they’re reporting.

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      I imagine it’s a question of scale and giving the mod a little bit more information to make their knives easier ☺️.

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    someone posts a meme, it follows all the rules

    it gets one downvote and a report

    Reason: Inappropriate

    😐

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    Do mods realise how little it narrows things down when they do the mod thing and don’t even say what comment or post was problematic?

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    Unfortunately, when you report something for breaking community rules, Voyager does not offer the option to specify. So no, I cannot.

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        What’s the significance of this syntax with regard to it not rendering?

          [//]: # (r1: Posts must be ...)
          [//]: # (r3: Posts must not be ...)
          [//]: # (r2: Posts must be ...)
        

        I’ve long wanted a somewhat standardized way to define community rules so I could do exactly what you were describing in your issue, but I’m not clear on how/why that syntax doesn’t render.

        I tried it in Tesseract, which admittedly use a different markdown renderer than other apps, and the first line shows but the second and third don’t.

        If other apps can get on board with that, then I may need to understand what’s happening in that syntax to make sure it doesn’t render.

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          It’s been a while, but I think it’s based on a trick to add comments to Markdown. I tried it with Tesseract, and none of the lines rendered, but only if I add an empty line in front.

          It’s a bit of a hack, but it can use existing endpoints and only needs some minor changes on the client side. The alternative would be implementing support for it in Lemmy, Mbin, PieFed, etc. but that probably takes a while and can also be done later when it has proven its usefulness.

          Edit: I think I found the explanation behind the syntax https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4823468/comments-in-markdown

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            Cool, thanks. I’ll give that a read and see if I can make it work cleanly. At this point, it’s just an experiment, but I’ve wanted to have some mechanism for a standardized machine-readable community rules for a long time, specifically to put into the report and moderation workflows. If I can make it work cleanly, and if it’s not something already planned for Lemmy 1.0, I’m absolutely willing to make that a Tesseract feature.

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      Click Other and it lets you write a custom reason. Kinda klugy, but hat way you can specify which rule is being broken.

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      This is why i always choose “other” and give a reason. Though it would be nice if you could always get the fill-in section and it be added to the report if used.

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        I usually do that, but often enough I just think: it’s obvious.
        Also I had a little conflict with an instance mod who mingled in some community modding and told me my reports were incorrect, useless and annoyed them (community mods said the opposite though) and the easiest way to go around that mod was to use the “breaks community rules” option.

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    I mean, I rarely hear about mod who explains why something was deleted or someone was banned, so what’s the problem?

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      Some communities don’t have specific rules, and some have several. It can be quite hard to judge why something is breaking rules. On the video’s community for example people often report videos, so I have to go through the entire thing to figure out what’s wrong with it (and some people post videos that are more than an hour). Sometimes content is reported because of something the people who created it did, something that is not apparent when watching the video.

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    I just looked in Voyager and that’s one of the options, so I’m guessing people press that before seeing that they can enter a custom answer.

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        Not even my foxbrained MAGA dad thinks the Cuban people are to blame for the tension between Cuba and the US. This feels like when trump wanted to jail women for getting abortions and all of the Christofascists were like: ”oh shoot, we just wanted to jail the doctors, but this works too”

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          Cuban citizens aren’t exactly responsible, but their government absolutely is.

          Cuba could end this at the drop of a hat, instead they’re prepping to fight a war “to uphold the revolution” at the behest of their multigenerational dictatorship.

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            In what way can Cuba end tensions with the US without becoming a puppet state and/or vassalization? Is there any fault on the US for the current situation?

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              Cuba is a puppet state vassal for China and Russia.

              That is why they are the lone island nation singled out by US forces.

              All they have to do is cut that coord, fellate the orangutan’s ego on TV a bit, give him a trophy for being the guy to solve a century long feud and getting an “amazing” trade deal going, and in a couple of years they could even go right back to being the massive assholes they were before.

              Ask yourself what the longterm outcomes are for Cuba? I can’t imagine a single future where they aren’t the voluntary sacrificial lamb ready to be torn apart at any moment, unless they cut ties with the east.

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                You want them to cut ties with the only people stopping America from geniciding them via famine?

                Yeah no geopolitics 101 don’t put yourself at the mercy of America.

                being the massive assholes they were before.

                What the fuck are you talking about?

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                  Ah this must be the North Korean flavor of Tankie if it believes US Soldiers eat babies.

                  Oh, the attrocities! Oh, look at what they did o Trinidad and Tabago! And Carribbea! It’s gone! They’re all gone! And Haiti, too! /s

                  Cuba is facing hardship only because it is volunteering to be used to threaten the USA.

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                In that argument, you could replace every instance of Cuba with Taiwan, the US with China and the Russia with Europe, and it would be the exact same argument many make about Taiwan. That argument is a lot easier for people to reject, but both are equally flawed, because they both disregard the self determination of the citizens of those countries. China and the US need to just let small nearby islands be.

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                  The difference is that China has a history of conquering lands around them, and has declared they want to conquer Taiwan and keep Taiwan.

                  The USA has not only not conquered lands since WWII but actually returned sovereignty to former territory since then. Americans don’t want Cuba.

                  China is a dictatorship, and despite their election meddling the USA isn’t there yet.

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                I think the unfortunate thing is, every country pretty much chooses one or more major world power to be their friend. If Cuba is not okay with the United States as their ally (and it’s reasonable, because we do some fucked up things to allies) then they’re going to pick something else.

                Ukraine was guilty of the same thing. In WW2, they were sandwiched between Soviets and Nazis. In their case, they picked Nazi; but may have been unhappy about either choice.

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                  Ukraine was guilty of the same thing. In WW2, they were sandwiched between Soviets and Nazis. In their case, they picked Nazi; but may have been unhappy about either choice.

                  You’re thinking of Poland, who were happy to get a chunk of Czechslovakia courtesy of the western allies and Nazi Germany.

                  Before WWII, Ukraine was part of the USSR. Some individuals worked with/for the nazis were reimagined after the breakup of the USSR as national heros of Ukraine, but that doesn’t change that WWII was a war to liberate their homeland from the nazis.

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            Open Letter from a Cuban Soldier to an American Soldier

            Dear American Soldier:

            I don’t know your name, your age, or if you have children or siblings. I don’t know the color of your skin or your family history. But I do know one thing: you and I are soldiers. And right now, the circles of power place us on opposite sides of a threat that I didn’t seek, and that I presume you didn’t either.

            I’m writing you this open letter from Cuba, my homeland. From this island you’ve seen on maps, in news reports, or perhaps in old movies. But you do not know it. You don’t know what it’s like to wake up to the smell of coffee and the call of the tocororo.[1] You don’t know what it’s like to sweat under the sugarcane sun, or to mourn a grandfather who left without saying goodbye. That is what you call a “military target.” For me, it is my home.

            Your government, the powerful government of the United States, has spoken of aggression. Of intervention. Of “restoring order” or “liberating us.” These are words we’ve heard before. Carlos Manuel de Céspedes[2] heard them when he raised his banner of freedom. The Mambises[3] heard them in the Cuban countryside. Fidel heard them during the landing at Las Coloradas aboard the yacht Granma,[4] and we hear them every day in the form of blockades, threats, and imperial attacks. But here we remain.

            Today it is my turn, a young Cuban soldier, to defend my flag. That flag that Bonifacio Byrne,[5] from exile, described with a pain I now feel as my own: “My flag, my flag, which I have seen amidst the bullets, which I have seen amidst the bullets, and which I have seen torn, torn into a thousand pieces, the Cuban raises upon his shoulders of steel.” That flag is not a rag. It is the blood of my great-grandparents. It is the lone star that shines without asking permission.

            So if one day you are ordered to come, if you cross the sea with your boots and your rifle, I want you to know something: here you will not find a vanquished people. You will find men and women who grew up hearing that verse in the National Anthem, a verse that is not mere embellishment: “To die for the homeland is to live.” It is not a slogan. It is a certainty. Because when all you have is your land, your dignity, and your family, then no tank can take away your courage.

            Antonio Maceo,[6] our Bronze Titan, said it plainly: “Whoever tries to seize Cuba will only gather the dust of its soil soaked in blood.” It is not an empty threat. It is the experience of a hundred years of struggle. It is the warning that here the invader will find not flowers, but armed roots.

            But I am not writing to hate you. I am writing to tell you that you and I could be friends in another life. That if we met on a street corner in Havana, perhaps we would share a coffee and you would tell me about your home in Ohio or Texas. I am writing to ask you to reflect: Who wins with this war? Your people? My people? Or those who trade stocks and manufacture weapons?

            Your oath is to obey. Mine, too. But there’s a difference: you’re obeying an order to attack. I’m fulfilling my duty to defend my mother, my sister, my girlfriend, my neighbors. You would be invading my yard. I just want you to leave before blood turns us into enemies forever.

            If you come, we’ll meet you with the resolve of those who have no other choice. I don’t promise you a clean or easy battlefield. I promise you that you’ll pay dearly for every inch of ground. But I also promise you that if you fall, I won’t celebrate your death. Because I know that behind your uniform there’s a family waiting for you.

            So, soldier, heed my advice: don’t become the executioner of my country. Don’t bear the weight of an unjust war. Use your conscience before your rifle. And if you can’t refuse, at least remember this letter when you see our flag waving on the horizon. Because that flag, as Bonifacio Byrne wrote, will never be lowered.

            “If they ask for my flag, / I must give it; / for there can be no surrender / more beautiful and more sincere / than to surrender it at the moment of death.”

            That is my answer. Steadfast in the trench, but with a pure heart.

            A soldier from Cuba, who prefers to die on his feet than live on his knees.

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              Dear Cuban Soldier,

              your suicidal ideation reads as, no offense, idiocy. You didn’t pick this conflict, your leaders did, they are your enemies. Please do something about it. You are already on your knees.

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        Yeah I can check the modlog but that doesn’t change the fact that the notification doesn’t tell me. I’m not on Mander, btw, that’s just you.

        P.S. I have never, will never, defend the actions of Israel. But I do defend actions taken by the USA to fight against Isis, IRGC, Al-Assad, Hussein, etc, when we had competent leaders capable of positive change.

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                No, but the invasion of Iraq and subsequent occupation wouldn’t qualify as actions against him that I support.

                I specifically said “under competent leadership capable of bringing possitive change” and the admin that gave Epstein a back alley plea deal is not in the list.

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              I didn’t mean to imply that you said you support all US’s actions against those regimes, neither do am I implying you meant to say you support their crimes of war, i’m asking whether you support their war crimes because when you wrote that you “defend actions taken by the USA to fight against Isis, IRGC, Al-Assad, Hussein, etc, when we had competent leaders capable of positive change.” you come across as someone who believes those things were only good things while imo those include some very bad things too. Also “competent leaders capable of positive change” can have blood on their hands. If the US would recognize the ICJ they could even try and convince someone like me that they did not in fact commit any war crimes, but them not wanting to be held accountable for their actions alone makes me wonder if there even was a capable leader in the US to begin with.

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                While the USA has a spotty record on the ICJ, ever since Iran-Contra under Reagan, one of the current 16 judges is from the USA. They also have one from China, which honestly at this point seems to lower the legitimacy of the court, if anything.

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      It was an image from this GitHub issue, but it seems GitHub now adds a JWT to image links that expires?