I don’t want to sound like an incel, and I like eating vag/salad as much as the next guy, but imagine this image with the genders reversed
I agree that it would look quite different with the genders reversed. However, gender equality is not like mathematical equality, where every situation needs to be reversible.
Women have traditionally been less sex-positive and less dominant, which many consider indicators of a lack of true gender equality, so a progressive community will celebrate a reversal of that.
Bad behavior is still bad behavior, regardless of who’s doing it. The oppressed engaging in the same behavior as their former oppressors is not equality, it’s just more oppression.
TIL feminism is not a progressive movement, and they only like one sided patriarchal benefits when convenient.
But situations regarding the handling of power dynamics and standards of consent/coercion absolutely should be reversible.
Well, consent is non-negotiable. I understood the comic as depicting a consenting couple.
As for power dynamics, I’m certainly not on board with her having communicated, she had an emergency. That is just disrespectful. But that one looks bad on both genders.
The existence of power dynamics in a relationship in general always looks bad, for both sides, in my opinion.
IMO either party doing this is fine as long as it’s discussed and within the comfort bounds of the people in the relationship.
I think the problem is an expectation when there has been no discussion about whether or not it’s within someone’s limits.
I have no issue with oral sex between consenting adults. But this meme would not be as well received if the genders were reversed. It’s hard to even imagine someone posting “always be there for your man in a time of crisis” with the woman going down on the guy.
I can only speak for myself but I wouldn’t really mind it the other way around as long as there’s no implied use of force or manipulation.
Feel free to reverse the genders & post this on twitter then. Getting banned from the internet speedrun any%
Twitter = the internet
You can try on any platform. The result will be the same outside of probably incel simp imageboard chans.
Yes, I suppose if you ignore every single bit of the last few hundred years worth of context, it would be hard to understand why people might be ok with this, but not necessarily the reverse.
Fortunately that context is available to you, so what I have trouble understanding is why you’re not accounting for that. Maybe you could elaborate, or perhaps do some perspective taking on why historically oppressed groups have certain sensitivities that privileged groups do not have. You might even come to realize that treating everyone exactly the same after not doing so for a very long time doesn’t come across as terribly fair. Because, you know, it isn’t.
You’ve conceded my point that it would be insensitive if we reversed the genders. So now the question is whether it is okay for us to show women doing something to men in cases where we are not comfortable with men doing that same action to women.
And here I’m going to respectfully disagree. I do not agree with your claim that being a part of a more historically oppressed group comes with a different set of standards for behavior. This is like saying its fine for obese people to make fun of skinny people–but not vice versa–because the obese people have more often been marginalized in society. We wouldn’t accept that reasoning in the case of body type and we also shouldn’t accept it in the case of gender.
So now the question is whether it is okay for us to show women doing something to men in cases where we are not comfortable with men doing that same action to women.
I think what you actually are aiming at is the question: Why is this meme upvoted? And why do you think the meme with reversed genders wouldn’t be?
I bet you want to tell us.
Would you say the same if we were talking about religions or races instead of genders?
The implication is that, yes, the same parity of standards should hold across groups. I myself am both religious and a racial minority (in the US) and I would not do anything to a white atheist that I wouldn’t want them to do to me.
Note that I’m not saying that everyone should behave the exact same no matter what their background. I’m saying that behavior that is judged to be good or bad for one group should also be judged the same way for another group. There are some philosophical reasons behind this claim (I’m essentially denying moral relativism) but I don’t want to derail the conversation.
I believe “consenting” is key here.
The reason why it’s taboo if the genders were reversed is because there is a long and well documented history of non-consent when genders are reversed.
Was there non-consent where gals are forcing guys? Very likely. However what evidence I’ve seen suggests this is dwarfed by guys forcing gals.
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Fair enough, I admit that norms change depending on where you’re posting online. Norms on 4chan vs Reddit will differ wildly. But I don’t think that a post with the genders reversed would do so well here on Lemmy in a general sub like !memes. So maybe I’ve overstated the point but my main criticism remains the same.
Well that’s just because you don’t checks notes come from a heavy kink community background
Different “strokes” for different folks, my friend.
im gonna post a reversed version of this im really curious what’ll happen
It’s hard
part of the joke is the reversal of the stereotype.
breaking stereotypes = good
enforcing stereotypes = bad
Yes i imagined it, very nice. Whats the next step?
I love you and I’m saving this.
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Man, it’s not a great message. But as far as jokes/memes go, this is funny as hell
It’s a joke.
What happened in the past decade that people stopped laughing at jokes?
If anyone takes this seriously them that’s their problem.
I mean, yours is objectively funnier aswell. This one falls pretty flat.
The real tragedy is that either of these pass as comedy these days. The bar couldn’t be lower.
Oh boy I’m sorry I’m the one to have to break it to you, but the bar could be a lot lower
Nothing wrong with a consenting partner
Yes, but not quite the point I was making
I guess the problem is the assumption that the man is consenting. A meme is not a place to go for realistic depictions of sex, though. I think this one is playing off that to create conflict/engagement.
It’s a joke. People lost their sense of humor
In my mind she has a cock. She also is built like an amazon, so she can just lift me up and flip me round for some standing 69. Nice
What would be the issue then? 2 consenting people can show each other what they want sexually, no matter the gender
Unless you have proof, this claim of yours is simply a fantasy. In fact, you can find plenty of spaces online where memes like this one, but with the genders reversed, are shared and well liked and sometimes they even mean what they depict unironically.
Actually, this very posts proofs you wrong, since yours and the comment “Bonk” (which just means “too horny”) are the top liked comments.
It really does seem like you just want to soapbox an opinion.
You can find spaces online for literally any position you like.
I concede your point that my comment got upvoted but 1) I didn’t know how many upvotes it would get before I commented and 2) The post itself is still heavily upvoted. I’m just offering a dissenting opinion to the post’s popularity; I’m not on a soapbox.
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I didn’t understand your comment at first because I thought the cartoons were both women. (I guess the one on the right had a bit of facial hair and masculine features.)
Switching it to two guys wouldn’t make a difference but I can see how male-left, female-right might look worse. But it really shouldn’t.
It’s a short cartoon. I read it as a playful, consenting couple having fun with each other. I don’t think it’s one partner luring the other in on false pretenses of an emergency and forcing them to perform oral sex. The gender arrangement shouldn’t affect that.
But it would. That’s the whole point.
If the genders were reversed it would be seen completely differently.
It shouldn’t but it will.
And yet
It would be fine in a porn comic, but provoke a scandal in a “regular” memes community
There are plenty of memes which are sexist towards women. They just aren’t perceived as sexist but simply as “funny”.
Yeah! And that’s why men are actually the ones being discriminated against! /s
You’re not wrong but you’re completely missing the point
And what is that point exactly? Women get horny too some times? Men need to do oral sex more often? Please enlighten me.
Have you been in a relationship before, when its stressful you help each other, if she wants an orgasm you give it, the street flows both ways. Its not always about sex either, fuck some times im the one that wants to cuddle. You seem to be quite the prude, and reading way too much into this, for the sake of your soul go get laid.
Go get laid? Damn, you sure got me. I’m going to go sit in a corner and think about how not to get owned. If only I had said something in my comment to indicate to anyone who can read that I had no problem with oral sex. I have realized the error of my ways and bow down to a sexually enlightened individual, such as yourself. Thank you @Thcgrasscity for your well thought out response.
You know OP is the kind of guy who’s just itching to say his IQ.
Thank you.
I ain’t never dined at the Y, I am by any reasonable definition an incel…
But geez dude, lighten up.
Its the internet. No imagination needed
Aren’t memes supposed to be funny? This just looks like a shitty Tumblr post.
Haha 450 up 55 down, so 8 times as many people think its funny then dont.
Haha 3 times as many people dislike this comment
Wait, we can see the upvote / downvote ratio?
Some apps show it. Jebroa does, for example
Jebroa sounds like a really muscular type of mouse lol
Spoiler
A bit like the muscular mouse in demon slayer
I’m calling it Jebroa now (even if I’m actually using Voyager currently (until Thunder gets fixed)).
But it’s still affected by which instances you’re federated with or blocks. Votes from users on defederated instances don’t show up.
this reminds me how people were calling Gumball’s sister “Anna Yeast”
Sync for Lemmy does shows it
Look at the username. Might as well be ClownShoes.
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Hot damn, ships sinking quick.
It is funny. Might not be your humor but others find it funny
While we’re on the topic. Everybody needs to read a book about pleasuring their partners.
She comes first
Her guide to going down
I’m sure you can get more focused content for your particular situation if you looked for it, but don’t assume you know what You’re doing. Read and make the world a better place.
The Ultimate Guide to Cunnilingus, is also a good one.
She comes first, second, third, fourth and fifth if my neck and her heart can take the strain.
Damn my spelling!
I’ve been trying to satisfy my spouse by learning stealthy puns in Proto-Indo European. So now I’m a cunning linguist.
Fuck her
But you don’t always have to fuck her hard
In fact, sometimes that’s not right to do.
Sometimes you want to maaake some looove
And fucking give her some smooches too…
Ideally, yes.
Right in the pussy
Gross
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cunning linguists they are not.
I was really not expecting so much, i sent it to the lady im dating she laughed so i posted it. Like most comments ive ever gotten on a meme were 6.
What the hell is wrong with people in this comment section? yeah if the genders were reversed blah blah blah be pragmatic and enjoy that pussy ffs.
I’m available for objectification. Anyone?.. Anyone?
No
Yes
My blocklist has grown by leaps and bounds though, so there’s that.
Bonk
Believe it or not…
We never have boners because of horny jail!
Your username gave me some major nostalgia. I think I played iRO like nearly 20 years ago! Even rolled a Super Novice lol
YES! Always great to meet another fan.
If you look back through my comment history, I had a looong nostalgia trip with another Lemmy user about the good ol’ days.
I still miss playing RO, but I usually go back and play on a pserver once a year around December. I just crave killing Elder Willows for some Dead Branches so I can fight random monsters :)
Haha I can hear the sad music now, while slaying away those Elder Willows. There was something almost meditative about collecting those DB’s.
At one point I set up a bot to collect them, he grinded away so long on those that I swear he reached somewhere in the 90’s for his level
It’s a guilty confession, but I always wanted to bot in that game. I never decided to give it a try, but some of the grind is just so tedious.
I never get sick of that Peaceful Forest BGM track, tho.
This comment section is lame. I would’ve LOVED for any of my girlfriends to force me down…it was just never a dynamic they were into.
Same same same
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You get it
Cringe
More importantly. Does that guy have a beard or is that just part of his hair?
It’s part of his hair, and grows on his chin.
I would be there for my lady…
If i had one!
I feel you brother
Panel 3: titty eye contact, he accepts his fate lol
Is there a community for horny nsfw memes that isn’t actually porn? Asking for a friend of course.
I think I have to poop
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Did you poop yet
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I love how nobody will come and say this is male sexual abuse. Where are the feminists hiding?
Edit: did not take long to prove the point, there is plenty misandry just like there is plenty misogyny.
Probably because there is much less likelihood that the male is being physically forced to do this.
Heck, if you want to go into who in society is typically in roles of power, there’s also much less chance of the guy being coerced to do this by power dynamics.
The amount of male sexual abuse that goes unheard of is nearly 95-100% of the times, because both women and men tease it as the abused man “wanting it” and/or “enjoying the touch”, leading to feminists claiming “all men” to be these evil women predators as an entire gender.
That doesn’t address my response at all - are you in agreement with it?
No, I am not. You are enforcing a misandrist narrative. Not all men want to be sexually groped and touched. Most men are good people.
Which of my statements do you disagree with?
Do you think men aren’t likely to be physically forced into giving head by a woman?
Do you think men aren’t likely to be forced into giving head to a woman by power dynamics?
I noticed that you’re conflating what is portrayed in this meme with being groped or touched.
The basis of your statement when you say “less chance of the guy being coerced to do this by power dynamics” has a historical context of “both women and men tease it as the abused man “wanting it” and/or “enjoying the touch””. Both men and women have encouraged this behaviour against men in the exact same way women get eve teased or their butts spanked. But women are the perpetrators of this male SA/rape stuff, since they demand it or covertly blackmail men.
That’s a big wall of text that doesn’t answer my questions - can you answer them directly? You can provide as much context as you feel necessary to explain your yes or no answer, but please provide a yes or no answer so I fully understand where you stand.
Seems to me you are making a lot of assumptions. You see sexual abuse, I see four frames that could be me and my wife. In either role.
It’s a four panel comic. Why you would choose to decide that consent is absent, and also decide that everyone else has to feel the same way, is beyond me.
Because even in marriages and relationships, women often accuse men of SA and rape these days. The reverse should also hold true, if women choose to pull off these nasty tricks.
That’s all well and good, but there’s no reason except your own baggage to apply that to this comic.
The more I read your replies, the more I think this is really about your own negative feelings towards women, more than a legitimate concern regarding sexual abuse against men.
It is always made into “you are incel” argument, no matter what men say, isn’t it? Feminists are pretty misandrist nowadays.
Did I use the word incel?
But hey, if that keeps happening to you, maybe don’t keep saying things an incel would.
if women choose to pull off these nasty tricks.
We’re all individual people in the end, it’s not a team sport.
Good day, Sir.
I think this is really about your own negative feelings towards women
There you go, this is how you framed me. And yes, women these days do that a lot, and that can be seen in any country with western culture influence.
No need to hand over pessimistic greetings as consolation, thanks. Atleast I know I am not wrong.
It’s not that serious bro
Come on, reverse the gender and post this. See how fast you get cancelled everywhere for “misogyny” by feminists that approve of this meme.
So you aren’t angry about the comic, you are angry about how you speculate people would react if it were a different comic.
I am pissed over how the reverse would be claimed by femcels and feminists as sexual harassment. There would be hundreds of them flocking to this post like flies over a turd, but now just silence and internet votes however they want.
Framing me in a manipulative way does not make what I said untrue, or allow it to be downplayed.
I don’t think it’s manipulative to suggest that you should wait for that actual comic to exist, and then argue with the people reacting that way, instead of manufacturing an assumption that no consent exists here, and then being upset that everyone else doesn’t also pretend that’s a factual representation of the comic.
It so happens conveniently that the reverse jokes are framed as misogynistic and incel content and will always by default be assumed to have no consent unless explicitly stated as a bold heading, because women are supposed to be vulnerable according to patriarchy, yet strong according to feminism. You know what political tactic makes an entity strong and weak at the same time? Fascism.
However, here, men are supposed to let it slide, treat it as if consent exists by default, and everything is supposed to favour women. I am definitely seeing the same kind of flaws in leftist social movement that exist in redpill movements, that are forcing me to distance myself from the former, even as I despise the latter. If certain leftists think reverse discrimination is a good way to piss off men and think it will invent sympathy within men, and unite men and women, they are the biggest idiots on this planet.
Edit: papertowels tried to critique me, deleted comment, due to which my one comment response is not showing up in thread. Might be worth a read. https://lemmy.ml/comment/3566525
My only complaint is that you seem adamant that only you have the correct interpretation of this simple comic. If you said “wow that comic seems like this” to me, without taking it to the level of “and every single other person needs to interpret it the same way” we’d be having no discussion.
We’re about 30 secs from having no discussion anyway.
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https://lemmy.world/comment/3175160
Not the exact same post but similar enough
