“The secret ingredient is crime”. ~Super Hans
How about
- reinventing trains but worse
- rocketing amount of space launches filling up junk
- we deliver everything but once we take over it’ll all be crap rip off products (for slave wages)
- we deliver any food by people who can’t drive (for slave wages)
- we’ll create algorithms to enforce society divisions and hurt mental health of children
- we’ll take over a popular platform and make it even more disgusting and fascist
“We’re living in the future. I’ll tell you how I know. I read it in the paper. Fifteen years ago.”
Hmmm … the technology that is literally driving people insane so a few investors can make advertising money
“Exploiting immigrants to deliver food”
Wait till you learn about their latest innovation!
Exploiting individuals from other countries to bypass labor laws in the country of business operation via distributed outsourcing. Why even pay minimum wage in the US?
Having watched enough Kitboga I think we’re underestimating the impact of the sheer joy and catharsis fake money for criminals ends up causing
Personally I’d say every single product and service being transparently wrapped in a personal information honeypot
Just give me your ID bro. It’s totally to protect the kids bro.
So like… all of it?
I like those note-taking apps that require my location for a better user experience
What do you mean you don’t want location tags in your notes?
Omg stop it, you are making me nervous. Okay, I will Accept terms and conditions
In case someone needs help:
Uber/Lyft
Airbnb
Bitcoin/Crypotocurrency
ChatGPT/LLMs
Because you have 2/4 general terms:
- Rideshare
- Short term rentals
- Crypto
- LLM
Cryptocurrency not Cryptography to disambiguate again
Cryptozoology? I KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE FUCKING BIGFOOT!!!
Sorry, at this point the term “crypto” has been thoroughly claimed by the shysters.
Tales from the Crypt
“Rideshare” is also the least accurate term used to dodge regulations. It is just a taxi/cab. You are paying someone to get you from one place to another. They aren’t sharing their ride, they were never going where you are going before you told them to.
Taxis/cabs are legal. Also, perhaps because of age, I tend to view taxis and cabs as phone numbers you call for a car to show up (or go to a taxi stand), whereas I see rideshare as reserve via an app.
I think ride share really just means a vehicle that is used not solely for commercial purposes
They are legal if you follow the regulations. The problem with the “rideshare” companies is that they don’t. We should just call them “unregulated taxis” rather than pretending that they are a different service. I think just about every taxi company these days is on some app or another (often the same that call unregulated cabs in countries that actually got their shit together and banned the unregulated ones).
They literally changed the name of the company from UberCab to duck regulation.
It would have been cool if they’d renamed themselves “Calloway”.
Lmao as if the cab companies weren’t a cartel making their own regulations.
I think just about every taxi company these days is on some app or another (often the same that call unregulated cabs in countries that actually got their shit together and banned the unregulated ones).
I’d like to point out this probably would have taken another 10-15 years to achieve had it not been for the disruption of said ridesharing apps.
Just because there’s a inconvenience for consumers doesn’t mean you make workers suffer instead of fixing the problem.
I’m assuming/ hoping you mean the taxi drivers when you say workers.
I empathize with anyone who’s livelihood is affected by changes in society. But stagnating progress because someone somewhere will be negatively impacted only assures no progress will ever be made.
I use a local cab company. They smartened up after getting crushed by uber in the first couple years of their existence. Now they have an app that’s similar to uber, but I just call and use the web link that shows me where the car is.
It’s literally the same service, but I have to give my info to Uber’s app to get it.
shouldnt 4 also include AI generated images?
Better term would probably be generative AI to also cover music, video and my grandmother’s soul.
Llms generate those afaik
No, those are generally diffusion models, not large language models. Language models generate text.
Uber/Lyft
Airbnb
Apart from the recently added surge pricing, what else is illegal about these 2?
They literally exist as a way for tech bro libertarian idiots to circumvent laws around Taxis and Hotels because “Its totally just people rending their own stuff/time bro.”
Like, the idea of Uber where its “we go to work along the same route,lets share a ride” is vaguely admirable, ie “rideshare” where it startrd. But its become people’s job and its literally just tsxis without the rules.
To be fair, they were popular at first because they were highly convenient. I remember Uber as the first to have a GPS map that told you where your taxi was. Most taxi companies and hotels were seriously lagging behind in terms of use of technology.
That being said, they were malicious companies from the start and the whole business angle was built on taking advantage of loopholes. I’d be fine with a lot of them if they were nationally owned companies though.
They were also presented as being cheaper and more ethical. You didn’t risk being roped into paying a higher price because the cabbie deliberately took a long route, or be surprised by the price being different in person. You could order an Uber, and you’d pay only what was in the app.
Due to how much circumvention goes around here (India) anyway, Uber/Ola actually ends up being a better option overall.
And the map feature ends up being pretty useful.
dependent on where you are, they are textbook skirting the law. uber got crushed when they launched in sweden because taxi drivers need to do basically the same training as bus drivers. it’s an extra letter on your license, with all that entails of age limits, theory and practical tests, x amount of time driven a year etc.
nowadays ubers in sweden are just taxis, which hilariously means that they by law have to have a price list on the cars. which basically kneecaps their entire business model.
Taxis and hotels used to be strongly regulated industries. For both, permits were required as well as regular checks. But Uber/Lyft/Airbnb created a system outside of the standard legal framework, allowing them to run an almost lawless business. So I wouldn’t say illegal but ethically grey.
oic, I guess it doesn’t make much of a difference where relevant laws are either pretty lax or inadequately executed.
Don’t forget about the tech/government surveillence state that is all up in your ass
Where’s “video games that you never actually own, but at least you pay to beat them”?
Where’s “removal of a common phone feature, because if you don’t buy a $528 external DAC and a $9164 planar headphones, you’ll be okay with a pair of raycons”?
Where’s “video games that you never actually own, but at least you pay to beat them”?
This new and groundbreaking technological innovation?
So gatcha games are just video games returning to their roots?
It gets funnier when people do everything they can to not even play them, even paying to cheat
It’s like Idiocracy and the waiting guy
https://media.tenor.com/k8VaJE8rchAAAAAM/patience-waiting.gif
I personally hate the “thanks to AI you now can speak to your dead relatives” ones. Especially those ones which try to spin it like a personal story for the developer of the app. Oh shut up, you would sell your own mother for money. And also you are too late to jump on that bandwagon so get lost, we have enough of you leeches.
Literally the exact plot of a black mirror episode.
And it was such a heartbreaking experience, I dont know who saw that and said yes daddy please.
Also the hit comedy Small Wonder that ran from 1985-1989?
I HATED that show.
Well black mirror is a documentary
On a related note, I personally hate the AI partner/friend ones as well, where it’s clearly preying on the lonely, insecure, or desperate. It’s dastardly, dystopian, and frankly, quite sad. How many children’s media show rich children as being quite miserable sods whose parents think that not having friendship can be resolved by buying their kids a friend?
You could easily see that being in a cyberpunk story, where you can rent a friend or partner from a megacorporation, but if you don’t pay the rent, they’ll be repossessed and deleted/destroyed. The data would be collected and used regardless.
yeah was gonna mention those too but hate the relatives one even more passionately so focused on that.
That’s a pretty cool idea for a story, actually. I’d totally steal that if I wasn’t so lazy
Forgot “Glorified Pump-&-Dump scheme” (NFT’s)
NFTs are basically Bitcoin and fall under fake money for criminals.
Nah it’s worse. Bitcoin actually has legitimate uses. (Yes, they are a minority of actual usage, but they exist.) NFTs are only useful for speculation, gambling and money laundering.
Bitcoin’s only legitimate use cases are a worse, slower and more expensive eletronic money transfer. In other words, there aren’t any.
Bitcoin actually has legitimate uses
Ransomware.
Stamp collecting for criminals
“Expensive cartoon monkey pictures”
Need to add illegal gambling to the list
Naw, crime is legal now.
What’s worse?
Illegal gambling in traditional sense (poker, dice, slots, etc) or legal gambling loopholes like video game lootboxes? 🤔
Probably loot boxes since it more directly targets children
Much like flavored tobacco or alcoholic drinks directly target children. /s
Downvote but no argument? It’s exactly the same kind of logic being used to push age verification laws.
Protecing children is a parents job first and foremost, all the excuses I hear from parents read to me like maybe you shouldn’t have had children if you can’t dedicate the time to educating yourself and watching over their activities to a minimal degree.
All the laws being proposed and implemented generally just impact adults much more then children anyway.
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b3c5d436-a7ba-4657-8a9d-0fec9edce801.png?thumbnail=1500&format=webp
These results are so backwards. Does literally anyone feel bad for the legal cab companies? lol
Just because the legal system is bad doesn’t make an illegal system better. You fix the legal problem.
"I can’t find a cab doesn’t mean the solution is unregulated gig workers.
“Don’t worry if an independent contractor rapes you, just give him 1 star and the free market will fix the problem.”Think of how much money Starbucks would save if they made their employees provide their own coffee machines, beans and paper cups. That’s where it’s going.
Profits are higher than ever before! (For the companies, not the workers)
“Don’t worry if an independent contractor rapes you, just give him 1 star and the free market will fix the problem.”
Would love to hear other perspectives but I personally feel much safer in an Uber where I know the entire ride is being tracked by a corporation that won’t risk its reputation to retain a potentially creepy driver.
It’s the other way around. An employer is legally responsible for an employee’s actions while working. Uber says, “They’re not employees, they just use our app.” So Uber has no incentive to carefully vet drivers. It’s only after an Uber driver rapes someone that they kick them off their system.
About cab companies, not really. Often times they operate as a cartel. But they do have better working conditions for drivers and less precariousness
Otoh, rideshare offers far more flexibility for workers. And they created legitimate value via the user-friendliness of their apps. And as much as it is bemoaned, the star rating system made taking a cab far more pleasant.
I’m honestly quite confused by this idea that every job in the economy must provide the job-holder with full and unequivocal economic security. In my view, many jobs simply are gigs. They need to get done, but the nature of the work means that they will never be a super-consistent source of income. And that’s okay - many people are quite happy to piece together their income from multiple sources in order to have more flexibility.
Cool, I’m sure when your job becomes a gig you will enjoy the extra “flexibility”. I have this very radical idea that people doing something that other people need, for a large portion of their available working hours, should have economic security.
I’m a concert rigger. My job is already a gig. I like it. I just got back from spending 3 months in mexico. Texted my boss “hey, I’m back in town”, and he started putting me on shifts again.
Flexibility is only useful if you already make a decent wage and don’t have a megacorporation constantly trying to steal your wages and avoid local regulation so it can shit on your rights. Otherwise it’s just an euphemism for being a treated like a disposable cog.
Idk dude, me and my coworkers seem to like it alright. It sounds like you’re projecting some personal issues here
Idk dude, me and my coworkers seem to like it alright. It sounds like you’re projecting some personal issues here
As opposed to you, who is projecting your enjoyment of a gig job that doesn’t require you to pay money to be able to do your job with someone who does have to pay literally every time they try to work. I wonder if that, and the obvious differences in pay and work environment, would make a difference in how the two workers think about their jobs…
It seems like a lot of Uber drivers, the ones we were talking about, don’t like it, considering all the striking, unionizing, and lawsuits against Uber: https://jacobin.com/2023/01/new-york-city-uber-drivers-raise-strike-court-hearing
But please, do turn this into a “personal issue”, and ignore the facts.
If we had UBI or our basic needs met on the regular I’d agree with you
In my view, it is more the difference between something that is pretty good vs something that is perfect. After all, supposing you are getting paid the same hourly rate, would you rather get paid for 20 hours of work, or 0?
Taking the example of ridesharing, for example - if you are looking for a job, and it is all restricted to traditional cab companies, they might not be able to afford to pay you full time plus benefits to work for them, so you get $0 working as a cabbie. And the result is that there are fewer people driving cabs, and therefore higher prices for cabs, and therefore fewer people taking cabs (and maybe driving drunk). The result of requiring full time pay for all rideshare drivers isn’t that all the drivers get full time pay - it is that a lot of them get laid off.
In either the case of having UBI or not having it, presumably you would prefer to be making some income over no income?
Again, this “minimum wage causes unemployment” fantasy. This is just nonsense meant to justify poverty wages.
It is hard to find a negative effect on employment effect of rises in the minimum wage: the elusive employment effect. It is much easier to find an impact on wage.
https://researchonline.lse.ac.uk/id/eprint/107415/1/manning_edit_revision.pdf
And they created legitimate value via the user-friendliness of their apps.
What?! WTF talks like this? This reads like it was written by a marketroid.
Idk, an autist who hangs out on lemmy who understands basic economics?
You say you understand basic economics, but you don’t understand why “every job in the economy must provide the job-holder with full and unequivocal economic security”? Lol, sure you do friend.
I might recommend you do some reading and maybe you’ll realize that these gig jobs are just a new way to do wealth extraction from the poor. Between giving no economic security, low wages and no benefits, this is just yet another way to implement a form of neofudalism.
I can’t help but feel like all of this is propaganda.
Like what’s with people all of a sudden defending Cab Companies, Hotel Chains, the Central Bank (or your countries equivalent), or Copyright law.
People rightly complained about all these things but now actually those are all somehow good
People aren’t defending those things. They’re pointing out how these replacements are so much worse.
The replacements aren’t actually worse though.
Using Uber/Lyft is far easier and more convenient for all parties involved. (Not saying that equates to morally good though)
Using AirBNB for people to vacation in or whatever is a much better experience potentially for a tenant then the sub-par standards of hotels.
Cryptocurreny provides freedom of exchange in a digital way while still having an overall ledger to prevent fraud. (Doesn’t stop people from getting scammed but the same is true for cash)
Copyright laws basically always majorly benefit the corporation who owns it rather then an individual who actually created the thing. I also was a pirate in my younger years and in general believe information should be free and peoples needs should be met so they don’t have to necessarily try to profit off what should be an artistic expression.
I don’t think AI will actually replace creativity, some will use it to churn out garbage but that was already true for existing tools for whatever art form you might prefer. A simple example is electronic music, a lot of musicians look down on electronic music artists because it’s not “real music”.
Edit: Fundamentally the issue/complaints from many are the user experience AND the problems with the corporations doing shitty corp stuff. I feel zero empathy for the prior companies that didn’t innovate at all and let their monopoly power print them money at the expense of the customer via corporate lobbying and such, however I’m under no illusion that the replacements are any better aside from their user experience lmao.
The replacements aren’t actually worse though.
How does the flavoraid taste? You’re drinking straight from the pitcher it seems, because most of your arguments aren’t rooted in reality.
Using Uber/Lyft is far easier and more convenient for all parties involved
Except if anything happens, then they find all sorts of loopholes to try to get out of it since they’re not a cab company. Any more, the cab companies have updated their methods and are trying to compete with the rideshare apps (at least around me)
Using AirBNB for people to vacation in or whatever is a much better experience potentially for a tenant then the sub-par standards of hotels.
AHAHAHAHA, have you not tried AirBNB since 2020? Hotels are cheaper, don’t have bullshit cleanup fees, and you never have to worry about freaky shit happening with the owner.
Cryptocurreny provides freedom of exchange in a digital way while still having an overall ledger to prevent fraud
Yeah, this is just so laughable I don’t even really want to respond to it. Ask the people who get their keyphrase stolen how easy it is to get their money back when it gets stolen. Come back to me when crypto can actually prevent and reverse fraud. I don’t expect to hear from you again lol.
I don’t think AI will actually replace creativity, some will use it to churn out garbage but that was already true for existing tools for whatever art form you might prefer.
This is far from the worst problem with AI, well after the issues with hallucinations, poisoning the internet/search engines, and the environmental effects.
My arguments are rooted in personal experience, on mobile at work so formatting is gonna be a little rough.
“Except if anything happens, then they find all sorts of loopholes to try to get out of it” Like what?
“AHAHAHAHA, have you not tried AirBNB since 2020? Hotels are cheaper, don’t have bullshit cleanup fees, and you never have to worry about freaky shit happening with the owner.” They absolutely have bullshit cleanup fees, and aren’t exactly cheap. Also there have been many many examples of hotels doing freaky shit lmao. (Edit: I will say I’ve never been charged a cleanup fee, but I worked service industry so I always make it as easy as possible for housekeeping.)
“Ask the people who get their keyphrase stolen how easy it is to get their money back when it gets stolen. Come back to me when crypto can actually prevent and reverse fraud. I don’t expect to hear from you again lol.” So how is that any different from getting scammed via cash or mugged in person? Can you magically reverse the mugging and get your cash back? I see this argument made by antj-crypto people all the time but it’s never once been said (in fact I literally said it doesn’t prevent scamming because it’s like cash yet you still strawmanned my argument)
“This is far from the worst problem with AI, well after the issues with hallucinations, poisoning the internet/search engines, and the environmental effects.” Good thing people always act logically and never misunderstand or hallucinate, SEO gaming definitely wasn’t a major problem before LLMs right?
Environmental issues I agree, though people do not understand where the energy usage actually occurs, It’s when models are trained now when just interacting with an LLM (I locally host my own and can literally see how much power it uses while being loaded at all times and it’s pretty negligible, less then when gaming.)
There absolutely needs to be regulation put in place though to force AI companies to build out clean energy sources and I’d even argue need to contribute back to the overall power grid of their area.
I’m open to changing my mind if you want to have an actual discussion on any of these points, but I doubt that given your attitude.
My opinions are rooted in personal experience as well, so we can cancel out each other there. That said, I highly doubt you’re willing to change your mind, based on what I’ve seen. I’ll reply here, but I doubt you’re going to change my opinion on that and respond to you again.
“Except if anything happens, then they find all sorts of loopholes to try to get out of it”
Like what?
You mean aside from the sexual assault allegations against their drivers where they argue they aren’t liable for what their driver did while engaging in ride shares for them because they’re not employees? And let’s not even acknowledge that these companies knew what was happening and chose not to do anything about it because it would impact profits.
So how is that any different from getting scammed via cash or mugged in person?
Hahahaha, you claim this argument is a straw man while using the most straw man analogy.
Crypto robbery is very different from cash robbery in a very obvious and meaningful way that makes it obvious why it’s a straw man:
I can’t get robbed of my cash from the other side of the world. Crypto can, and pretending it’s anything like cash is a joke.
Can you magically reverse the mugging and get your cash back?
If I get mugged in person, there’s a chance to escape or find the robber and get the money back. Good luck getting Boris in Moscow to give your money back, assuming you find him.
I see this argument made by antj-crypto people all the time but it’s never once been said (in fact I literally said it doesn’t prevent scamming because it’s like cash yet you still strawmanned my argument)
Respectfully, the caveat you included is disingenuous at the very best, and outright invalidates the point you’re trying to make at worst.
Saying crypto is like cash when it comes to scams is like comparing modern fighter jets to WWI fighters. Would you call it a straw man to say “They both shoot down enemy aircraft”? Because that’s what I hear when you say both cash and crypto can both be used for scams.
Like, I’m not arguing cash can’t be used for scams, but you can’t honestly tell me it isn:t easier to get scammed out money and more of it with crypto than cash.
Good thing people always act logically and never misunderstand or hallucinate, SEO gaming definitely wasn’t a major problem before LLMs right?
Damn, guess we should turbo charge our fuckups with AI since humans sometimes make mistakes.
I honestly wish you clanker apologists would come up with a better argument in defense of the bullshit machine other than ‘humans fuckup too’, as if that line of reasoning wasn’t a point against your argument.
Clearly you’re incapable of having a good faith discussion and I don’t care to continue. Have a good day
while still having an overall ledger to prevent fraud.
That’s not crypto.
If you get scammed using an old fashioned credit card, the credit card company yoinks your money back for you from the scammer.
If you transfer crypto it’s gone.
I literally said it doesn’t prevent scamming just like cash. Did people abhor cash because if you got scammed you couldn’t just get it back by asking the bank? (Which also is not really the only thing that can happen btw, sometimes banks just take the hit if it’s already been withdrawn or similar and choose to make you whole or not) My father had his bank account drained twice because of Zelle malware and the bank nearly didn’t give him his money back the second time.
The overall supply of most crypto is known, and unless it’s a privacy chain transactions are generally visible on the network rather then being completely hidden from view like other currencies.
I literally said it doesn’t prevent scamming just like cash.
You claimed crypto is immune to fraud.
I then showed how old fashion credit card is better. I didn’t say cash.
My father had his bank account drained twice
My nephew lost all his crypto to malware.
Your father’s bank “nearly” didn’t refund but actually did. So you proved that banks provide safety. Credit cards provide even stronger safety between you and businesses. My nephew’s crypto was gone with absolutely no recourse.
The overall supply of most crypto is known
That has absolutely nothing to do with fraud or losing your crypto to malware.
So I consider fraud and scamming to be a bit different, but maybe I’m just being pedantic or misusing the word.
Moreso what I meant was things like literally printing money isn’t possible outside of how the coin functions (assuming no bugs lol) and the global supply and such are known values that can be backed up.
Compare that to the opaqueness of the US banking system where things like bank runs can and do happen because money is essentially duplicated via things like loans backed only by promises rather then literally tied into the functionality of the currency itself.
On the bank point, there’s no reason an authority of sorts couldn’t do the same thing with crypto, they had to take the hit for the lost money as it was already gone, just like what can happen with crypto. I’m sorry your nephew lost his funds due to malware, however I’d argue they likely didn’t take proper protections. For example we know things like card skimmers exist and you have to take actions to prevent those things from impacting you as well.
On your last point, hopefully I explained a bit more why, to me, it does relate to fraud, but yes it doesn’t have anything to do with malware, nor did I claim it did.
But going back to the malware point, that’s no different from getting mugged and losing your life savings because you kept all your cash on you. It sucks to get mugged but it’s “common sense” not to carry all of your cash on you at a time, while it’s not yet common sense for people who hardly understand the idea of crypto as to how they can/should secure their keys or distribute across multiple wallets potentially to guard against that.
So all those things, but illegal are better? lol
Yes and no, when laws stop being about what’s right/wrong and start being written for the benefit of entrneched corporations and their interests…
