Oh, it’s the regularly scheduled sabre-rattling post.
He has a little star in his calendar for every month.
Yep, they even get a bunch of their posts from Lemmy.ml communities and cross post them to non-Lemmy.ml communities. That’s fine, but this is just a huge dedication to inter-instance drama.
So far I have been censored on .world but not on .ml
Better .ml than .world, honestly
I don’t know why ml is so hated
.world is basically Reddit. They want Lemmy to be Reddit, and censor Lemmy as if it is Reddit.
If you make a negative post about .world it will get removed by their mods but they never apply their rule to .ml
And this is exactly why .ml is so hated. That comment is pure .ml propaganda.
I have seen tons more .ml posts where mods go rampage mode and remove anything criticizing Communism, Russia, China, authoritarian regimes, their genocides, .ml itself, their mods, hate on US or any western nation, brigading …
.ml stands for Marxist Leninist, and they make sure you know it.
You rarely see negative posts about .world because they get removed.
Remember the MBFC debacle?
Make a negative comment about China on ml I dare ya.
This this is on hexbear via ml, here’s a whole comment thread complaining about neoliberal brainworms re: welfare in China and a bunch of people talking about how disappointing the fiscal conservatism is, one person pointing out that this type of wealth inequality is ultimately the result of government policy.
The admins and mods of .ml are the biggest Tankies of Lemmy, they refuse to admit that China is an authoritarian dictatorship that has committed recent genocide and constantly lick Putins boot saying things like Russia was justified in invading Ukraine unprovoked
!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works though you’ll need to view through another instance because .ml blocks this community specifically
Probably should be noted those communities are filled with the brigading efforts of like two chronically obsessed people who use alternate accounts to stir up shit or screenshot posts they often write themselves.
Some Lemmy instances are generally hostile to Marxists, who are more concentrated on Lemmy.ml.
Lemmy.ml and hexbear are not marxist. They are fascists cosplaying as soviet communists. Many people don’t make that distinction though.
probably because that distinction is unfounded.
Believe it or not, there’s nothing saying a communist country needs to be a one party dictatorship. It would be perfectly achievable though democracy if the majority of the population actually wanted to take collective responsibility for the country and wanted people to be treated fairly. The reason communist dictatorships fail is because they are dictatorships, not because they are communist.
Marx had very little to say about the governing structure of communist governments, but did actually describe socialism as a ‘dictatorship of the proletariat’.
What you’re taking issue with is how marxism was later applied by various political projects, but they all still fall under the umbrella term of Marxism.
Put another way: all Marxist-lenninists are Marxist but not all Marxists are Marxist-lenninists
I don’t care for the moderation policies of .ml but I don’t see what shitposting about it all the time without the context that they will ban you for “pro capitalist” posts does other than split the fediverse and make users who don’t even know what your problem is act defensive
The “average .ml poster”/“average .world poster” discourse is worn out.
Average .world poster trying to keep their CIA ran platform alive.
avg tankie
Can you explain what you mean?
They’re saying .world is anti-china.
Y’all know you can post to more than one place, right?
OP makes these posts on around a monthly basis, they have a pattern of posting these instance-drama related posts fairly regularly.
The weekly .world feud post right on time.
Edit: for someone who doesn’t like .ml so much, why do you browse it enough to repost content from it? No worries comrade, they are our memes. Share away.
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You can’t see your own comments in this thread? How interesting.
Oh boy, another post of .world furiously masturbating over the evils of .ml
Considering most .world users are (former) Reddit users, it makes sense they’d get easily spooked by *insert thunder noises and ghost sounds:
MARXISM! UuUuHh!!
That platform has turned quite to the right with their moderation and acceptance
Nobody is spooked by anything. Many (like me) have the opinion that Marxism is a trash ideology and so shit on the place where its ideas are traded the most as they’re trading trash opinions.
Nobody is spooked by anything.
This is just purely and demonstrably false. Not only it is wrong from a historical point of view, but it also ignores current political conversations in which “Leftists/Communists” are used as a scare tactic.
Many (like me) have the opinion that Marxism is a trash ideology
I see. What specific criticisms do you have for Marxism then?
Not only it is wrong from a historical point of view, but it also ignores current political conversations in which “Leftists/Communists” are used as a scare tactic.
Fair enough, i guess i also “fear” communism in a sense and believe that humanity must work to prevent ourselves from reaching such a state (at least the sort that is typical of it) but i don’t think that’s where much of the criticism on Lemmy stems from
I have a lot of criticisms, but I don’t currently have the energy for a long debate. However, my main criticism is that Marxism is unnecessary as many good things have been achieved and can be achieved under a social democracy.
There’s also the point on how Marxism is practically unachievable without collectivisation, which allows for the possibility of tyranny. Soft totalitarianism as i like to call it. It has gone wrong in the past and will probably continually do so.
I have a lot of criticisms, but I don’t currently have the energy for a long debate.
Classic.
I genuinely don’t. I have engaged in multiple debates about this stuff in the past though. I also outlined a couple of my criticisms, so if you would like to address those instead of trying to be snarky, that would be welcome
I’ll just point out you called Marxism a trash ideology and then subsequently called it unnecessary because of an ideology that is almost inherently rooted in Marxism.
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How about minding your business
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No need to insult me bro
why say this on .world?
I’m just here having newly federated everything and glad to be the fuck away from reddit
welcome! there is constantly infighting here. you chose a good instance.
.world is the most ‘reddit’ like of Lemmy, and that’s not a compliment.
completely agree.
Lemmy.world is just more popular than other lemmy instances. At least it’s not threads.
It’s also where a lot of the bigger subreddits set up shop during the API thing, and to an extent the “default option” when setting up an account.
Yeah I started there myself but quickly migrated. Tried to find an instance that wasn’t filled with ideological rat poison and also wasn’t the mass appeal one.
I don’t think I see a lot of posts on lemm.ee though, but I think it’s fine?
They consider themselves a general purpose instance, with minimal oversight or censorship, and I’ve had no issues so far. Either them or sh.itjust.works are the ones I’d choose.
The .world admins are puppets of the Dutch government and the .ml admins are puppets of the Chinese government
Okay, so abiding by the law where your servers are hosted is being a Puppet.
Go stir up some drama in 196. There at least you know what you are doing.
.world Admins and mods don’t follow the Dutch law. They clearly follow there personal biases and the I think that it’s okay if they where honest.
Instead of saying we don’t like you talking about jury nullification. They say it isn’t allowed by law. Jury’s are not even a thing in the Netherlands. They say they follow the law, but they just follow a ideology and are lying about it.
.ml admins and mods clearly have a personal bias and are honest about it. You can think it’s a shit take. But you know where they stand for. Like it or not.
E: mods of communities don’t always follow there admins line of course. And there are shit mods on both instance
I feel like an old man asking this, but what is the theme of 196?
Here’s a translation of the relevant Dutch law against violent speech:
Article 137d: “He who publicly, orally, in writing or graphically, incites hatred against, discrimination of or violent action against person or belongings of people because of their race, their religion or their life philosophy, their gender, their heterosexual or homosexual orientation or their physical, psychological or mental disability, shall be punished by imprisonment of no more than a year or a monetary penalty of the third category.”
Is being a CEO a religion now?
(Fun fact technically irrelevant to our discussion: being biphobic or aphobic is allowed in the Netherlands)
Your last point all depends whether we take the spirit of the law or the letter of the law… but perhaps there could be a non-Dutch higher court to decide any contentious points?
Go stir up some drama in 196.
Did you forget which post you’re commenting in?
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Is Drag your alt?
Ah yes the supply side jesus freedom ranking brought to you by citibank
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Okay and I don’t care about your uninformed opinion and yet here you are, wasting my time. 🥸
But there is an easy fix for that.
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oh wow, not sure what was said but thankfully I’m lazy and hadn’t replied to that person in another post I still had up (science post I was gonna answer their incredulous questions in case they just didn’t understand but I see now it’s just a troll account). Looks like they got site banned but it’s unfortunately the shitty way where you can’t see anything they did to know what happened.
Likewise the same with .world. Aim for a smaller instances community if you can contribute.
If
.mldidn’t exist Lemmy would be reddit-level huge already.Thank god it exists then, the last thing we need is another Reddit.
Yes, thank god
.worldexists and a reminder to donate!literally no one but extremist anti-social tankies were using Lemmy before
.worldhappened.Reddit already existed before .world, makeing .world completely redundant.
Reddit is not federated, not transparent, not open source. Dumb take my dude.
.world hates federation lol.
Only from those instances that like to brigade others, which is exactly why the defederation button exist.
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under 1 day LOL
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the use of the word westoid implicates tankie for me, no changing that.
Yes, same for lemmy.world. If you want to post something niche and find a dead Lemmy.world community maybe consider first seeing if there’s one elsewhere to revive or even make yourself (assuming you’re registered somewhere else of course).
Yeah, I have no problem with Lemmy.world (I mean, my main is on here), but spreading comms amongst at least a few instances is better for the overall health of the Fediverse.
Helpful links:
Lemmyverse is a good place for finding communities your instance might not know about
Lemmy Federate is good for seeding communities to other instances.
See nobody says this kinda thing about sh.
More in line with your comment though I wish there was a way to specifically merge a few comms into a single feed just for viewing purposes. So if you wanted to you could merge two c/memes feeds from different instances. You’d either have to take the post button away from that view or make it prompt you to select one of them from a list though.
Would also be cool to be able to export / share merger lists so if you trust someone’s opinion on which subs from a topic are worth following or go well together or even just want to migrate your own list you can do that too.
See nobody says this kinda thing about sh.
what does SH mean in this context?
my home instance
The more power (engagement) any particular community’s moderators get, the heavier-handed they get.
.world is full of powermods lording over their little kingdoms too.
Yeah… your modlog history paints a different picture. Apparently, you seem to think the rules of lemmy don’t apply to you.
Oh please half of Lemmy has had issues with FS or Jordan.
They’re like 90% of !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
And there are no “Rules of Lemmy”, every instance has its own rules.
Dude… your comments are public. The removed comments are clear rule violations. I’m thinking either you seriously don’t think they apply to you, or you never read them.
And just because something is in YPTB, it isn’t guaranteed to be correctly attributed. Note how many people in the comments disagree.
Cool.
And just because you think something doesn’t count, doesn’t matter when everyone else does. And most of the comments agree too.
Lemmy’s search is dogshit… It’s my number one problem with this place. And this is the ONLY place I use these days.
Worse yet, they also naively censor the r-word so if an .ml user types r*tardant it comes out as removedant
THEY WON’T LET ME SAY MY GODDAMNED SLURS FUCKING GODDAMNIT
I’M A CERTIFIED RULES LAWYER I SHOULD GET TO SAY MY FUCKING SLURS
I have this dude tagged as “dumb tankie” and I have never felt more smug in my life which is saying a lot.
I’ve got this user tagged as “tells people what they’ve labeled people”, and have done for a while.
👍
Ah yes, the classic Scunthorpe Problem
I believe you mean clbuttic
I very much like that, by all reliable reports, Scunthorpe is a real cunt of a town 😁
even Tom Scott filmed his video about the scunthrope problem in penistone because “there’s really no reason for anyone ever to go to scunthrope”.
One of my favourite football chants:
“You cannot spell Scunthorpe without cunt, You cannot spell Scunthorpe without cunt, You cannot spell Scunthorpe, You cannot spell Scunthorpe, You cannot spell Scunthorpe without cunt”
Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.
Also, it disregards comment language
That’s shitty. It effectively removes the ability to communicate in anything but English.
E.g. some frequently used words that are non-slurs: fag (nordics, meaning class/course), retard (french train stations will display this when trains are delayed). Living in Norway, I have frequently been frustrated when MMOs wouldn’t let me talk to friends in my native language without censoring or even handing out bans.
… Or slut, which means end.
Also, my American girlfriend insists on pronouncing the Dutch surname of new Liverpool manager like that.
Granted, that IS pretty close to the correct pronunciation of “Slot” in Danish (which means castle or palace and is also the name of a cheap but potable beer), at least 🤷
The Spanish name Enrique can be diminutised to “Kike” (key-kay) but PlayStation network banned accounts with that name as the word in English is slur against Jews.
why not use
Qiqeas a workaround?That’s something I’ve always wondered myself - I’m not sure why the spelling mutated, but then I’m not a native speaker.
Exactly, I’ve even tested with setting my comment to French, exclusively speaking French within, and it’s still filtered.
And that pissed off a couple people who just couldn’t believe my motivation was anything other than desire to say slurs.
I don’t know about the other Nordic countries, but here in Denmark, “fag” also means profession and is used as a colloquial term for many related groups and concepts.
On a slightly related but hilarious to me note, “bad” being Danish for “bath” and a company refusing to change with the times to accommodate an increasingly international marketplace has resulted in one of the most successful mid tier bathroom design companies in the country still being called “Bad Design” 😄
The English word bad is based on the Old English word baeddel, which meant gay, intersex, or pedophile, and made no distinction between the three. So it’s basically a homophobic slur.
Brb, gotta cheerfully say “you’re so bad!” to the ole partner and give it a whole new meaning when being flirtatious.
There’s nothing wrong with .ml communities stop the stupid infighting, splitting discussion on Lemmy further will do nothing but hurt the fediverse.
Having a tankie instance as prominent as .ml is already hurting the Fediverse. It’s not a few bad Apple communities, it’s literally the admins and mods cultivating an instance wide Tankie culture/factory full of China-bootlicking and genocide denials
The beauty of the fediverse is that people can block and see whatever they want. If you don’t like what you see, that’s a you problem not .ml’s
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it’s literally the admins and mods cultivating an instance wide Tankie culture/factory full of China-bootlicking and genocide denials
Dramatic 🙄
Fine, can we concede that while they’re allowing other topics to flourish on their instance there are also unwritten rules that lead to confused banned users?
Can you elaborate about unwritten rules? Most of the bans I’ve seen has been for pretty clear rules violations, there’s some stuff which might fly on reddit (like xenophobia, sexism, racism, transphobia), that will catch a ban here. Having rules against bigotry actually getting enforced is probably a confusing occurrence for some redditors. Even people behaving hostile will generally only catch a temp ban to cool down, permanent bans are more for people who are being bigoted.
I have had plenty of issues with at least one of the admins, despite that I have yet to be censored for saying as much. The red-baiting disguised as legitimate concerns rubs me the wrong way though.
Check the modlogs. .ml uses rule 1 as a catch all for whatever is said that hurts their feelings.
Almost daily there are removals and bans that don’t break rules.
weird, looks like you got banned for the same thing on lemmy.world, (hostility, repeatedly calling people “kids” in a derogatory way, and trivializing the ongoing genocide), but only had a post removed for similar behavior on .ml.
CW: .world modlog
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moderated .ml comment
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got any better examples?
So you admit to paying 0 attention?
YePowerTrippingBastards on my home instance is a good starting place, have fun
Or, you know, play the classic .ml card of pretending you don’t know what we’re all talking about
Or, you know, play the classic .ml card of pretending you don’t know what we’re all talking about
Literally the only complaint of substance I’ve seen in this entire thread is people who want to be allowed to use slurs
Literally every single comment I’ve seen of yours boils down to “Oh come on, EVERYBODY says so!”
It’s almost as if you know you’re in friendly territory so you don’t actually have to have any meaning behind your words. You’re free to use them as your playthings /sartre
It’s almost as if you know you’re in friendly territory so you don’t actually have to have any meaning behind your words
More like I consider anyone who pretends not to know what we’re talking about as a willful idiot not worth taking seriously
I don’t have time to deal with those who deny reality, be it MAGA shitstains or blind tankies
More often than not someone when complains about getting banned and I bother to follow up in the modlog it turns out that they got like a 3-7 day ban for acting like an complete asshole. Then they proceed to vague post about it months later despite the ban being long over.
Most of the time, yeah. But there have been enough other cases over the past couple years that I wouldn’t put too many eggs in that basket (or any for that matter).
The tricky bit is how you guys have redefined what xenophobia/sexism/racism/transphobia means. I don’t mind catching a ban, but at least get the reason right.
You haven’t even had any mod action taken against you on lemmy.ml from what I can tell.
Plenty of other instances that you do use have banned you for racism and trolling though.
This one from hexbear was really funny:
You are unwittingly making their point for them. Hilarious!
I remember that. Yeah, some hexbear users were saying that all white people should be killed. Apparently saying “no one should be killed for the color of their skin” is racism. Or at least according to their definition of racism.
I am so glad I blocked their instance.
Nailed it.
Tankie culture/factory full of China-bootlicking and genocide denials
Gee, I wonder what your disagreement is
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Take a look at the modlogs from .ml admins and moderators. Their rule 1 violation is a catch-all for anything that hurts their feelings. They remove shit that clearly break no rules all the time.
Don’t believe me? Go to any .ml community and respectfully disagree with anything positivity said on the topic of Russia or china. See what happens.
It’s almost as if they’re not smart enough to know that the modlogs are public or something.
I swear I need to make a log or something at this point for when this inevitably gets brought up so I can just paste links. I frequent any community and respectfully disagree all the time. I have one moderation from when I first started and didn’t “respectfully” comment (making pooh jokes, I wasn’t trying to engage seriously in a discussion and back the mod action).
Let’s make this easy, show me one example of what you’re talking about so my mind can be changed.
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ROFL! The .ml rage is clearly on full display here.
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You’re clearly upset. Maybe it’s best to let this rest.
“Nothing wrong” lol. Many of us have had propagandized disinformation blasted at us for recognizing realities we can see and hear with our own eyes and ears. I’ve practically been radicalized against visiting tankie spaces and it’s because of their lies and responses to myself and others…
Many of us have had propagandized disinformation blasted at us for recognizing realities we can see and hear with our own eyes and ears.
Editors note: the person above is speaking about things happening in countries they have never visited, and cannot speak the language of, as reported in press based in geopolitical enemies of those countries.
Are you pretending to be a mod, or was that a bad joke?
Anyway, this isn’t an ideology disagreement and I’m not talking about what goes on in other countries/languages, it’s an anecdote. I’m telling you what I experienced.
It wasn’t a joke; it was calling you out for bullshit. And you’re not sharing an anecdote of what happened to you. You’re vague posting and expecting people to nod along without so much as a broad categorization of what you’re talking about, let alone details.
In all likelihood you’re whining about something in which you were clearly in the wrong.
So you’re from China and can speak Chinese I assume is what you’re trying to say?
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splitting discussion on Lemmy further will do nothing but hurt the fediverse.
No one’s saying defederate.
I am, but I already am.
There’s always someone on .world with an axe to grind lmao
Oh the irony.
The instance tribalism is ironic; most of the people complaining about .ml have also been banned from other communities for similar behavior (racism, misogyny, etc).
Not when one side considers using the phrases: dicksucking, dick riding or sissy to be the misogyny
I think the first two as commonly used are more homophobic, the latter more misogynist
Good thing your opinion isn’t consensus then
There’s still plenty of instances run by people willing to tolerate misogyny, racism and transphobia in the name of extreme centrism and defending capitalism.
I actually laughed out loud reading this in the modlog “triggered far left liberals” OK Ben Shapiro
If you left your ultra-white, ultra-left, and ultra-woke political echo chambers you’d learn that the terms dick-sucking and dick-riding comes from AAVE and is used frequently by the Black-American community. AAVE slang tends to mock the actions described in the insults and not those performing them.
I know all this because i actually interact with humans in the real world. I don’t sit at my desk all day, arguing about fuck all on the internet while extending my cultural and moral values to individuals on the internet like Americans who don’t know that words like “cunt” and “f*ggot” have meanings not tied to negative connotations outside the US do. This nuance is typically lost on the left and is why i identify as centrist nowadays.
It’s truly the most reddit of instances. And yet, here I am.
I started on .world to. You can be free one day. I believe in you.
You don’t get more free in authoritarian instances like .ml
