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How do you feel about unions?
Why should lazy people get the same pay as me when I work so hard? /s
I had a friend that shifted super libertarian and refused to join a union because of this. We are no longer friends.
You two are no longer friends due to a difference of opinions?
They initiated the end, but it was already on its way out. Being a libertarian was the last straw. Libertarianism is selfish, privileged bullshit. There is honestly no way to maintain a friendship when you’re a leftist that believes in community and people, and the opposing party is a libertarian that only ever thinks about themselves.
Sorry to hear that they initiated the end of the friendship. I disagree that there’s “no way” for libertarians and liberals to be friends still. Libertarianism doesn’t mean “super right wing” like some people think - it means small federal government and strong, but also small local government. The ideas are more about it being your own personal responsibility to take care of a neighbor in need, not the government’s. Not saying that this is right or wrong to believe in, but I do see that there are arguments to be made in favor and against this idealogy.
My friend and I have been friends for a while. I’ve seen myself as fairly centrist but lately voting more liberal. He’s seen himself as libertarian and seems to always vote right. We have interesting conversations about politics and philosphy, but we also don’t let it get in the way of enjoying games and hobbies outside of politics.
My experience as a leftist with libertarians in the US is that they are selfish. Every libertarian I’ve known has been privileged enough to hold views that benefit them and leave other more vulnerable citizens in the wake of it all. They sit back and wax poetic about Jordan Peterson and come to conclusions that don’t move the needle anywhere. Pushing out platitudes that solve nothing and talk about philosophy. If being a libertarian means you help your neighbors in need, I don’t see it. I see leftist communities doing that more than any libertarian. One of the nicknames I have for the libertarian brand of centrism that I’ve observed is “militant centrism”. Basically people arguing to keep things the way they were and rejecting ideas that would strive to change society to benefit a wider array of people and not just themselves.
I have met very, very few reasonable libertarians. So I don’t blame them.
That’s fair. My personal experience is people identifying as libertarian online have been fairly intolerable, and some but not all I’ve met IRL that identified as such have been good people. YMMV I suppose lol.
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Also if everyone is 9 to 5, how does anyone do any errands if they close at the same time they do?
Well, personally I’ve found that to be a bit of a problem, so for some of us it is that we don’t, unless we take like half a day off.
Not to mention schools release at like 2:30. Need your kid taken care of after that? It’ll be a few hundred $/mo for an after-school program. Sorry working parents.
A few hundred a month? I wish.
Simple: the 9-to-5 opening hours are not for the 9-to-5 workers, their services are for the ruling class who doesn’t work 9-to-5.
My last job was 9 to 5 with an hour paid lunch. Unfortunately they had to shut down once covid hit.
9-5 doesn’t include a paid lunch. It’s 8 hours without a break
I work 8-5 when I’m lucky.
I’ve never even been offered 9-5… It’s always been 8-5.
God yes me too. I didn’t even realize until I came out of university. A 9-5 job is a 9-5:30 job over here (we have a mandatory lunch break of at least 30 minutes if you work more than 6 hours a day, 45 if more than 9). Now calculate in the commute and if you’re lucky you’re at a 8:15-6:15 job.
Technically I’m supposed to have 30 minutes unpaid lunch. However, no one really does. It gets paid. We just hit “no” on the time clock for the “uninterrupted 30 minutes lunch”.
It went away way before that.
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One less hour to do enough math to see it’s two hours too.
That’s how the capitalists getcha. Back in granddads day, they just made sure you lost enough fingers in the machinery to keep from counting. Nowadays they gotta keep you too busy to realize they stole two hours instead of one.
That’s been my experience as well, or even way worse. We should have more unions.
Damn. Why do you work this way? Don’t you have regulations and stuff?
In Austria I already work 8-4 and we are currently talking about reducing it to 8-3.
This is mostly an American problem. Here in the EU it’s less of an issue. Even here in Spain, where we work 9 to 6 or 9 to 7, is always because, either we have a big break in the middle of something. And regarding kids, I don’t have them, but those who do in my company usually take the time off to go, pick then up and get them home or something if the school is nearby. Otherwise they arrange some home delivery or something, as I recall.
It’s all on a state by state basis. So ‘right to work’ states like Alabama, Texas, Virginia, etc, there are very few regulations. There the employer is viewed as the owner of the job and can basically tell the employee to work anytime. States with stronger regulations like California have much more stringent policies and there it’s if not less likely to work a lot of overtime people are likely to be paid for it.
Just 5 or 6 hours less a week, that’s all
Just 20 or 25 hours less a month, that’s all.
𝐉𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝟏𝟎 𝐨𝐫 𝐬𝐨 𝐝𝐚𝐲𝐬 𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐚 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫, 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭’𝐬 𝐚𝐥𝐥.
I do 6pm-6am 5 days a week
Which was an improvement from my previous position of starting at 12am-4amish going to 9am-2pmish 6 days a week.
If you understand the way things are right now is broken, you should understand that you ALWAYS have a choice to stop being cynical, fight for your freedom and fight for what’s right.
I wasn’t ONLY talking about reddit in this post a while back. https://lemmy.world/post/858027
Choose to be creative. Choose to be sincere. Choose to be a human again.
Unfortunately I choose to eat
See, there is the cynical reddit one liner again.
You have made the choice to resign yourself to despair instead of fighting for your freedom from the reddit within. I can’t make that choice for you, none of us can, but I do hope that you will change your mind one day.
Look to be fair I am self employed and always have been, but even so, today I don’t feel like going to work at all, I am totally exhausted. I am going though - because if I don’t go, I won’t have stock for the end of the week and customers come from a fair distance to see me, and if I don’t have what they want they will be pissed, and my business will go to shit.
We are all prisoners of work.
We are all prisoners of the unfair system of this absurd world, but I’m hoping that one day, we will all be free.
I’m asking you to not give up on hope. It’s not too late yet, my friend.
2 weeks only? should change the headlines to “americans were made”
…You guys are going places for your two weeks off? Well lah-dee-dah, look at all the rich people!
Real talk though, it’s not just Americans. Like, go check Japan out sometime for starters.
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Below the title are 5 images and 6 lines of text. The first image is that of a person sitting on a chair at a desk. The text beside it reads “Sit at the desk 9-5”.
The second image is the Netflix logo, the text beside it reads “Come home every night to watch Netflix”.
The third image is a person wearing a backpack, shorts, boots, and a hat. The text beside it reads “Explore the world for only 2 weeks out of the year”.
The fourth image is that of a box containing an assortment of items, the text beside it reads “Have zero creativity”.
The fifth image is that of a person sitting on the floor with their knees drawn up to their chest, the text beside it reads “Have every single aspiration beaten out of them”.
Underneath the images is a final line of text reading “THERE IS nothing MORE TO LIFE.”
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You are doing great work.
Thank you 💜
To be fair, you don’t have to sit around watching Netflix
While true, sitting around watching Netflix has the advantage that it takes none of the nonexistent energy remaining after a full day of work + chores + you only get two hours before bed.
I used to think that’s all I had the energy to do. Turns out reading a couple chapters, learning a bit of guitar, going on a short walk, journalling… all takes minimal mental and physical energy, but feels 10x better to do. I got stuck in shitty habits and convinced myself that’s all I could do.
True.
You could watch Disney+.
With all the energy left after an 8 hour job and all the money You make you can sit on the couch and imagine traveling the world.
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The scary part is that this doesn’t even sound bad to me anymore.
Yeah, this has me feeling like that one meme “you guys are exploring the world?”
This is why I love my partner. She helps bring me back to the ‘it may not be the ideal world but it’s our world’ sentiment.
Man it sure sucks to be American in this time.
Not if you were born to rich parents. Oops, I mean if you work really hard and quit buying Starbucks, damn millennials
Can’t disagree. When I talk with my European and Asian friends, sometimes they ask about America, and my answer is usually something like “The US is a great place to live, the best country in the world, if you’re rich!” and I think that’s factually true.
If I was rich there so many countries I’d rather live than the USA. New York would be cool, living in a penthouse. I would hate LA. Miami would be cool. But other than that? Literally dozens of cities around the world that I’d rather be in.
Japan has entered the chat.
Well, being Japanese sure sucked a lot more 80 years ago.
Yeah, and not like anywhere else. 🔥🇵🇱🔥
Work is a scam, take what you need and burn your bosses.
damn when did everyone go full doomer?
They must have walked out their front doors.
Yeah, I remember back when depressive humor was funny because it was sad. Then, a few things happened in the last decade and now it’s funny because it’s true.
It was either 2016 or 2019. It was either making a politician out of Trump or COVID. That’s when I started to realise how fucked I am and stared anticipating death.
You have to understand that most of these people are NPCs who don’t have the psychological capability to do for themselves. They are sitting around expecting the world to change for them because that’s what they expect out of society: for all the important things to be done for them, and that’s due to them internalizing a lifetime of being told that’s all they’re allowed to do. Instead of, you know, thinking for themselves or rebelling on their own.
As things get worse, expect to see a lot more bitching without any meaningful action.
Also expect a lot of them to get defensive when you tell them such because they know what you and I are saying is true.
I used to meet a lot of these people in the office. They’d resign themselves to their situations and blame everyone else.
When I come across it now, I’ll listen and then ask what could make it better. 50% of the time it’s “does not compute” + excuses.
Choose to watch 2hrs Netflix every night or settle for a crappy job or relationship? Go for it, I’m not judging you. Bitch that it’s your only option? Nope.
Learned helplessness is a real issue for some people. It’s really sad to see and often difficult to help someone realize they can put their energy toward better things
It’s not the average Joe’s responsibility to have to fight for a system of equality, or their responsibility to know a correct solution. The US Government needs to be held accountable for the insane wealth inequality they’ve allowed under their watch. That’s what they’re paid to do.
Have you been living under a rock? Everything is bad, at least here in the US.
I think Gul Madred has Picard seeing exactly five lights right now
He promised me a life of luxury if I said it.
There are plenty of people who are still into future building. But, indeed, a lot of the west is falling into decadence.
But I still see enough spark to hope it will reignite. With a better experience.
According to this theory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss–Howe_generational_theory (see the timings section)
We are at the end of the crisis cycle. The last crisis cycle was WW2.
So shit is about to get really fucking real in a hot minute, but we should then move to a better time - an awakening.
Yea sorry bud
while others have criticized the theory as being overly deterministic, unfalsifiable,
This is where I stand on this. If you can’t provide evidence against something then it’s not science
Agree it’s probably bullshit, just a pattern. It only resonated with me because it seems to track with my sentiment, but I have little hope that it’s about to get shit and get better.
I do expect it to get more shit.
Two weeks?? Longest vacation I’ve been on in the past 20+ years was eight days, with the eighth day being unintentional due to an issue with the airlines.
Ever been sick? Vacation.
Exactly. You get to spend vacation days exploring your own house instead of the world.
No good seeing too much of the world. Lot of dangerous ideas out there. Best to keep your head down.
Due to a serious illness, I’ve used up all my paid sick days. My bosses told me, “we want you to get better, so you can take as many unpaid sick days as you want.” Thanks a whole fucking lot.
“we want you to get
betterfucked, so you cantake as many unpaid sick days as you wantget fucked.”You have our permission to wither broke and helpless. Don’t worry about repaying us. We’ll send you to collections
Mine’s 22 days. And that wasn’t all my vacation for the year either, only most of it.
I dunno…I sit more than 9-5.
At the desk tho?
But seriously, try to stand up for at least a min every hour.
It’s true I move around to get water and food and take a walk a lunch but the day lasts longer than 9-5.
A standing desk is an amazing investment. Your back and legs will thank you
When the alternative is man Vs nature in a constant struggle to avoid violent or hungry death, or even worse - slavery, then we gotta count our blessings. I’m also greatful for every day I’m not plowing cotton fields with my hands or operating machinery in a factory.
There it is, the good ol’ false dilemma
This is undoubtedly the more healthy attitude
There are more options than “be a wage slave who has been so beaten down by the system that they have nothing left in their lives” and “be a hunter-gatherer hunted by lions.”
That’s a lazy-ass dismissal to a serious problem. You could have at least put in some bitching about millennials spending all of their money on avocado toast.
Y’know…I’m reading The Way We Never Were by Stephanie Coontz.
For much of humanity’s time in modern civilization, everyone worked. Constantly. From childhood to old age. The worst period was from industrialization to the labor movement. Literally worked to death. Probably one of the worst periods in human history with massive disparity and horrendous working conditions. The modern era is luxurious for many compared to what we used to have.
I appreciate the balanced perspective you brought to the table. Modern life is fantastic in so many ways. This post hits so close though because despite the reality most of us yearn for something more. Not wealth per say; freedom to work to live vs most seemingly living to work. The vast imbalance is horrible and most of us aren’t having the best time. Says a comfortable software engineer who is is doing… OK but seriously as a society we should have figured out some semblance of proper balance by now.
I think something like the idea of the consensus engine would greatly help us if it could be built. It’s not a magic bullet but it would provide so many avenues for not making things worse
I think the difference is that now more than ever we can see the ever increasing wealth disparity in our society. While most of us toil away we constantly see what the classes above us are able to do and get away with because of their insane amount of money.
