EDIT: no, I don’t sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they’re losing an argument ;)
Fuck that. Defederate all Nazis.
This post assumes that a meaningful amount of defed instances are caused by simple lack of agreement. Often, it’s an orthogonal matter - it boils down to instance A actually understanding something about the userbase of instance B and saying “I’m not dealing with this shit, it’ll make the instance worse for its own users”. For example: the typical user of B might be disingenuous, or preach immoral prescriptions, behave like a chimp, or be a bloody stupid piece of trash that should’ve stayed in Reddit to avoid smearing its stupidity everywhere here.
Are instance admins too eager to pull the trigger for defed? Perhaps, in some cases; specially because it handles groups of users instead of individuals. But those cases are better addressed through actual examples, not through a meme talking on generic grounds.
Thanks for a cool-headed comment!
No offense but this is kind of what happens in real life too. Nazi shows up to local bar. Barman or owner doesn’t throw them out. Eventually they invite their friends. It winds up being known a Nazi bar. People who don’t want to associate with Nazis no longer visit the bar. This is why intolerance of the intolerant is a thing.
The paradox of tolerance.
Tolerance must tolerate all but intolerance of tolerance
Tolerance is a social contract.
If you refuse to be bound by it, then you are a direct threat to the contract, and those who follow it, and should be treated as such.
Funny thing is, the Nazis would use those same guilty by association tactics to silence and crush dissent.
Defederating brigaders and trolls is necessary to maintain a healthy community. If your instance is defederated from all major instances, perhaps you should look examine what sort of company you keep.
With that mentality we’ll all become beehaw. The cesspool of don’t look at me funny.
What a simple, stupid argument.
Lmao “try and understand them” fuck off, OP. You’re not fooling anyone. There’s no point trying to understand assholes.
Assholes maybe. Nazis no. There is definitely a point where someone is beyond saving and you need to simply cut them off, and Nazis are far, far beyond that line.
Imagine thinking racism and child porn have arguments worth listening to. Just defed and forget they exist.
Fuck off nazis.
Follow your leader and kill yourselves.
Well said. There is a lively song by the Dead Kennedys that explains with nuance and understanding this same sentiment.
But seriously, fuck them tankies.
I’m so glad that the comments have (mostly) finally unified in agreement that defederating Nazis and other hideous people is the right move.
We tried every other form of debate on the topic. If people are engaging in a discourse in bad faith in hopes that they will benefit from the publicity, your best option is to ignore them.
Yup, exactly
I’m not up to date on the drama. Who got defeded?
I think it’s mostly about Hexbear, Exploding heads and lemmygrad.
Exploding-heads.com went down. They moved to nostr afaik.
Unless the nazi wears red, then let him spew his holocaust denial because “western propaganda imperialism butwhatabout they deserved it it never happened.”
I don’t have the patience to discuss transphobes and I will never, ever, understand them. Just go fuck yourself and then kindly fuck off.
agreed, it’s tiring arguing with people who’d rather demonize others than consider questioning whatever youtube rabbit hole they fell down
You can’t tolerate nazis or tankies. Bad reasoning altogether. Look at the state the USA is in right now because we decided to tolerate fascists.
Exactly. The cancer may wear a swastika or a hammer-and-sickle. Either way, it’s authoritarian cancer.
You can see what OP is trying to do here though, even with his edits. He’s “both sides-ing” it up.
Indeed! I think a lot of people here are getting wise to that.
One of those groups is white supremacists and the other wants to stop genociding the global south. That seems like a fine comparison to you?
Defed is cheaper than consulting a lawyer.
I literally just left sh.itjust.works because they federated with hexbear.
I’d rather an instance defederate with a toxic instance than have to switch instances in order to avoid said toxic instance.
But apparently sh.itjust.works doesn’t care about it’s users wants despite the majority wanting to defederate.
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They’re already isolated in their own echo chambers. Have you ever actually tried arguing with these people? You might as well argue with a religious person about how their faith is bullshit. They don’t listen they just scream and throw a tantrum while insulting you the whole time.
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Well you have my respect but I don’t have that kind of willpower. I’d rather just not deal with them at all.
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Most defederation isn’t because people are disagreeing though. It’s because the people they’re defederating from are assholes.
OP is a three day old account. They know this, this meme is just them crying about it.
Instance know for trolling and being assholes is eventually defederated
You just don’t understand us!
Lol right? And if you even try to engage it’s constant sealioning, memeing, and dunking.
Sealioning? No, you just won’t read my 10,000 word post that is copied from someone else’s pHD.
Edit: No joke, after posting this I got this message from a Hexbear user:
I’ve read all three volumes of [Das Kapital] around a month ago because I had an autistic urge to do it
tell me with full seriousness that you’ve even glanced at it
Have you even read Gramsci? You really can’t disagree with anything I say until you’ve read Gramsci. Sorry, I don’t make the rules!
This is why my instance is defederated with them though. It’s just bad faith nonsense all the way down.
And you run a far-right uberconservatives instances so you have no room to talk on nonsense
I mean, it’s not a huge problem to read Marx or Gramsci before arguing about Marx or Gramsci. You don’t have to read all they wrote, of course. To form an opinion on Gadamer I don’t have to read everything he wrote.
It’s not even a good come back. It’s like saying that they’re right because they have the power of Shrek on their side
They are used to their echo chambers and high-fiving themselves. To be fair, I wouldn’t want to mess with them if Shrek was on their side.
Shrek seems pretty anti-authoritarian, so he’s automatically a lib and an enemy as far as they’re concerned.
You mean hexbear, kbin, and lemmygrad?
I hope so.
What’s wrong with kbin?
You might wish to be aware that your instance’s top-level domain was chosen because ML stands for “Marxism-Leninism”, and that the main admin of lemmy.ml has a photo of Mao as his profile banner. So you’re probably going to have a hard time convincing your instance’s admins to defederate from Hexbear and Lemmygrad, all things considered.
Edit: While .ml is often used as a free TLD, lemmy.ml paid for that domain. Whether the use of the .ml TLD was then a deliberate reference to Dessalines’ outspoken political views is… evidently less certain than I thought. This was just a claim that I heard, it seemed right, I took it as fact, I repeated it here, I’m sorry. That was irresponsible.
Hexbear is known for trolling, regardless of their political stance, unless there is a material analysis that pig poop balls advances the cause somehow.
I’m just saying that if one wishes to be defederated from Hexbear, then one should migrate off of lemmy.ml first. The admins of that instance are not going to be open to defederating Hexbear.
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.ml domains are named for the country code of Mali, and are used because they are free to register
ml was most likely chosen because freenom was giving ml (mali) tld away for free.
Even radical left liberals are assholes.
