EDIT: no, I don’t sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they’re losing an argument ;)
Fuck that. Defederate all Nazis.
This post assumes that a meaningful amount of defed instances are caused by simple lack of agreement. Often, it’s an orthogonal matter - it boils down to instance A actually understanding something about the userbase of instance B and saying “I’m not dealing with this shit, it’ll make the instance worse for its own users”. For example: the typical user of B might be disingenuous, or preach immoral prescriptions, behave like a chimp, or be a bloody stupid piece of trash that should’ve stayed in Reddit to avoid smearing its stupidity everywhere here.
Are instance admins too eager to pull the trigger for defed? Perhaps, in some cases; specially because it handles groups of users instead of individuals. But those cases are better addressed through actual examples, not through a meme talking on generic grounds.
Thanks for a cool-headed comment!
No offense but this is kind of what happens in real life too. Nazi shows up to local bar. Barman or owner doesn’t throw them out. Eventually they invite their friends. It winds up being known a Nazi bar. People who don’t want to associate with Nazis no longer visit the bar. This is why intolerance of the intolerant is a thing.
The paradox of tolerance.
Tolerance must tolerate all but intolerance of tolerance
Tolerance is a social contract.
If you refuse to be bound by it, then you are a direct threat to the contract, and those who follow it, and should be treated as such.
Funny thing is, the Nazis would use those same guilty by association tactics to silence and crush dissent.
Defederating brigaders and trolls is necessary to maintain a healthy community. If your instance is defederated from all major instances, perhaps you should look examine what sort of company you keep.
With that mentality we’ll all become beehaw. The cesspool of don’t look at me funny.
What a simple, stupid argument.
Lmao “try and understand them” fuck off, OP. You’re not fooling anyone. There’s no point trying to understand assholes.
Assholes maybe. Nazis no. There is definitely a point where someone is beyond saving and you need to simply cut them off, and Nazis are far, far beyond that line.
Imagine thinking racism and child porn have arguments worth listening to. Just defed and forget they exist.
Fuck off nazis.
Follow your leader and kill yourselves.
Well said. There is a lively song by the Dead Kennedys that explains with nuance and understanding this same sentiment.
But seriously, fuck them tankies.
I’m so glad that the comments have (mostly) finally unified in agreement that defederating Nazis and other hideous people is the right move.
We tried every other form of debate on the topic. If people are engaging in a discourse in bad faith in hopes that they will benefit from the publicity, your best option is to ignore them.
Yup, exactly
I’m not up to date on the drama. Who got defeded?
I think it’s mostly about Hexbear, Exploding heads and lemmygrad.
Exploding-heads.com went down. They moved to nostr afaik.
Unless the nazi wears red, then let him spew his holocaust denial because “western propaganda imperialism butwhatabout they deserved it it never happened.”
I don’t have the patience to discuss transphobes and I will never, ever, understand them. Just go fuck yourself and then kindly fuck off.
agreed, it’s tiring arguing with people who’d rather demonize others than consider questioning whatever youtube rabbit hole they fell down
You can’t tolerate nazis or tankies. Bad reasoning altogether. Look at the state the USA is in right now because we decided to tolerate fascists.
Exactly. The cancer may wear a swastika or a hammer-and-sickle. Either way, it’s authoritarian cancer.
You can see what OP is trying to do here though, even with his edits. He’s “both sides-ing” it up.
Indeed! I think a lot of people here are getting wise to that.
One of those groups is white supremacists and the other wants to stop genociding the global south. That seems like a fine comparison to you?
Defed is cheaper than consulting a lawyer.
I literally just left sh.itjust.works because they federated with hexbear.
I’d rather an instance defederate with a toxic instance than have to switch instances in order to avoid said toxic instance.
But apparently sh.itjust.works doesn’t care about it’s users wants despite the majority wanting to defederate.
So the solution is to just kick people we disagree with off all the mainstream platforms and ensure they go to their own echo chambers where they are isolated from any reasonable counters to their ideology, which will just ultimately make the problem worse? Brilliant.
It’s like the war on drugs. If we just ban it then surely the problem will disappear…except it just gets worse.
How can people be this shortsighted?
They’re already isolated in their own echo chambers. Have you ever actually tried arguing with these people? You might as well argue with a religious person about how their faith is bullshit. They don’t listen they just scream and throw a tantrum while insulting you the whole time.
I have argued with them a lot in person and online. Yeah, most of the time it is futile. Every now and then it’s not. You ever hear of that black guy who makes friends with KKK members? Sometimes they give up their bullshit and they become friends. I will accept the risk of having futile arguments with many if there is a chance that logic and reason breaks through to a few.
Well you have my respect but I don’t have that kind of willpower. I’d rather just not deal with them at all.
Cheers. Not everyone has the constitution to engage, and that’s fine. I do not think hate should be tolerated, but I think it must be confronted with reason. The only alternatives seem to be more isolation, extremism, and violence.
Not ITT, OP commenting on their own post. 3 day old account posting just to stir up shit. Obvious plant is obvious
